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Gross negligence? Knowingly placing an individual with TB on a barge intended for 500?

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 00:01

or sending anyone onto the barge at all, when it was known the water supply was contaminated with legionnaires disease?

Gross negligence? Reckless endangerment?

Any individual who contributed to the situation, placing asylum seekers on the barge while knowing either that one had TB, or that the water supply was unsafe needs to be taken to court and charged, who ever they are.

surely?

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User98866 · 14/08/2023 07:45

Successive governments, especially the Tory government have lied to everyone. They have no intention of stopping the boats. They want more low skilled migration. Encouraging people over on board is an easy way to do that. Blair started this to massage economic growth figures through the import of cheap labour and Tories have continues it. It absolves them of the responsibility of bettering the country through true economic growth.

The number that arrive in small boats are tiny and they then spend about 5 + years in a holding centre whilst we process their claims. I don’t think they are going to make any impression on growth or labour market figures?

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 07:45

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/08/2023 07:11

So would you rather the TB carrier is in your local cafe?

I would rather the individual with TB is treated according to the rules set out for the thousands of British individuals with TB, isolation and treatment, and testing of all contacts.

TB is common in the UK. Placing infected individuals in what effectively amount to a concentrations camp is not.

This was not accidental - the person or people who made this decision are potentially murderers, and there needs to be a full investigation, they should be identified and charged.

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jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:46

lljkk · 14/08/2023 07:39

This thread is a portal to 2020 Daily Mail style (covid-like) paranoia.

I'm loving it. (tm).

Wsmi · 14/08/2023 07:51

User98866 · 14/08/2023 07:45

Successive governments, especially the Tory government have lied to everyone. They have no intention of stopping the boats. They want more low skilled migration. Encouraging people over on board is an easy way to do that. Blair started this to massage economic growth figures through the import of cheap labour and Tories have continues it. It absolves them of the responsibility of bettering the country through true economic growth.

The number that arrive in small boats are tiny and they then spend about 5 + years in a holding centre whilst we process their claims. I don’t think they are going to make any impression on growth or labour market figures?

The families and large extended families follow as soon as they are granted leave to remain. 1 person on a boat is followed by many more low skilled migrants as family members. That’s how economic migration works.

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 07:52

bellac11 · 14/08/2023 07:39

I work with children who often have TB, no ones ever tested me and Ive not been required to notifiy anyone who I am formally in health. In fact I asked my GP about updated vaccinations as I work with people with TB at times and we are exposed to this and he was quite dismissive and said that its not that effective for people over 40. I dont know if thats true.

If you have been in contact with someone with active TB you will have been given a hospital appointment to be tested - not all TB is infectious. Just because a child has TB, or has damage from TB, that does not mean you have been exposed to the bacteria - if you had been you would know

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Namechangedforthis25 · 14/08/2023 07:53

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:09

Well that's what Labour wanted to do during the pandemic, so I assumed they just meant the sea borders as as you say we still need to trade. We could trade by air. We import lots of goods that way anyway.

A lot of our earnings are via banking & insurance and they can be done via internet,

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What are you talking about - your post is really ignorant

we don’t import most of our goods by air and we have many industries other than finance

what on earth?!! whatever happened during covid is irrelevant - that was a pandemic

Ellmau · 14/08/2023 07:53

People arriving legally for a stay of over 6 months who have been living in certain countries where TB is common do have to show a negative test before being granted a visa:

Tuberculosis tests for visa applicants: Check if you need a TB test for your visa application - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Obviously one of the steps illegal migrants by definition skip.

Tuberculosis tests for visa applicants

Check if you need a tuberculosis (TB) test to support your visa application and find an approved clinic in your country

https://www.gov.uk/tb-test-visa

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:55

Namechangedforthis25 · 14/08/2023 07:53

What are you talking about - your post is really ignorant

we don’t import most of our goods by air and we have many industries other than finance

what on earth?!! whatever happened during covid is irrelevant - that was a pandemic

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What I am not sure about is whether those advocating for zero migration, and it some cases travel, just mean between countries, or rather think that people should live their whole life in the village they grew up in. I would be very interested to hear views on this.

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:57

Ellmau · 14/08/2023 07:53

People arriving legally for a stay of over 6 months who have been living in certain countries where TB is common do have to show a negative test before being granted a visa:

Tuberculosis tests for visa applicants: Check if you need a TB test for your visa application - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Obviously one of the steps illegal migrants by definition skip.

When you say illegal migrants, would I be right in thinking that you are refering to the less than 25% of asylum seekers whose applications are not granted protection?
A number that would have filled in 2022 the largest village in the UK.

bellac11 · 14/08/2023 07:58

Ellmau · 14/08/2023 07:53

People arriving legally for a stay of over 6 months who have been living in certain countries where TB is common do have to show a negative test before being granted a visa:

Tuberculosis tests for visa applicants: Check if you need a TB test for your visa application - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Obviously one of the steps illegal migrants by definition skip.

I dont know about adults but all children asylum seekers are tested for TB on arrival, its how we know so many have it, they are given treatment which is followed up

But many of these children are in foster care/homes and also have various professionals visiting them and as I say Ive never been asked to have a test evenw hen coming into contact with someone with active TB

There must be some gaps in the system somewhere

I was surprised at how dismissive my GP was when I asked about vaccination but it was about 5 years ago now

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 07:59

We don't have a massive problem with TB in the UK, most people who have TB are arrivals from countries where TB is endemic. it is found in people who have other issues such as drug addiction or who live in overcrowded, substandard accommodation. The vast majority of people with TB live in London or other large cities with precisely those issues.

LlynTegid · 14/08/2023 08:01

Given that there have been no prosecutions for the 20,000 or so deaths in 2020 that were avoidable by the then government failing to act re Covid in early March 2020, you cannot think the negligence over the barge off the coast of Portland will end up in a court case.

Clavinova · 14/08/2023 08:01

active TB

The newspaper headline was misleading - the individual has latent TB.
Further down the article they say;

Latent TB isn’t transmissible when it is being treated...

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 08:03

Another point; I did visit the clinic when I was working as I had visited a family where nearly all had TB. My GP was quite dismissive ,but agreed after I kicked up a fuss, the nursing staff were also dismissive as apparently they thought I would be immune. The test showed I wasn't.

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 08:03

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 07:59

We don't have a massive problem with TB in the UK, most people who have TB are arrivals from countries where TB is endemic. it is found in people who have other issues such as drug addiction or who live in overcrowded, substandard accommodation. The vast majority of people with TB live in London or other large cities with precisely those issues.

What? I don't understand your post at all.

Many of the children I have taught with TB have been white british, not drug addicts and living in normal family homes.

What do you define as a "massive problem" - it might not be "massive" but it is a problem.

And a BRITISH problem

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Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 08:03

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:31

Most migrants, to the UK arrive by air.

Oddly on the few occassions in my life that I have flown I haven't been subject o health checks before the flight, has that now changed?

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I don't know but if it hasn't it would be simple to make various vaccinations, such as smallpox, TB etc. compulsory before Visas are issued to Visit UK.
Then if people don't comply we can send them back and fine the airline for transporting people who are a health risk to the UK population.

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 08:05

Rates are falling in the UK and have been forever. The people I have dealt with who had TB weren't white British.

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 08:08

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:55

What I am not sure about is whether those advocating for zero migration, and it some cases travel, just mean between countries, or rather think that people should live their whole life in the village they grew up in. I would be very interested to hear views on this.

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Well at the moment it makes sense to close the sea borders at least to get a grip on migration, so zero migration ATM seems like a good idea.

or rather think that people should live their whole life in the village they grew up in
that is traditional in very rural areas by choice. People have everything they need so don't need to travel too far from home.

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 08:12

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 08:05

Rates are falling in the UK and have been forever. The people I have dealt with who had TB weren't white British.

The statistics I saw said it had gone up by 10.5% (from GovUK)

For England in quarter 2 2023, 1,320 people were notified with TB in England. This is higher than the same quarter in 2022 (1,195), an increase of 10.5%.

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 08:17

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 08:03

I don't know but if it hasn't it would be simple to make various vaccinations, such as smallpox, TB etc. compulsory before Visas are issued to Visit UK.
Then if people don't comply we can send them back and fine the airline for transporting people who are a health risk to the UK population.

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Would that also apply to those people who do not need a visa to enter the UK?

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 08:19

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 08:08

Well at the moment it makes sense to close the sea borders at least to get a grip on migration, so zero migration ATM seems like a good idea.

or rather think that people should live their whole life in the village they grew up in
that is traditional in very rural areas by choice. People have everything they need so don't need to travel too far from home.

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I am not sure a policy that stops food imports which we need in order to reduce a small amount of the migration to th UK makes sense. You are aware that most migrants to the UK don't arrive by boat?

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 08:20

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 08:12

The statistics I saw said it had gone up by 10.5% (from GovUK)

For England in quarter 2 2023, 1,320 people were notified with TB in England. This is higher than the same quarter in 2022 (1,195), an increase of 10.5%.

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Such large numbers are probably why the NHS is in crisis.

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 08:22

This is the link to the WHO fact sheet on TB
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis
This is info from the government on the incidence of TB in the UK;
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tuberculosis-in-england-2022-report-data-up-to-end-of-2021/tb-incidence-and-epidemiology-in-england-2021

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 08:23

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 08:03

I don't know but if it hasn't it would be simple to make various vaccinations, such as smallpox, TB etc. compulsory before Visas are issued to Visit UK.
Then if people don't comply we can send them back and fine the airline for transporting people who are a health risk to the UK population.

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If you think they need smallpox vaccinations then maybe the sources you are looking at for your information are out of date?

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