Gross negligence? Knowingly placing an individual with TB on a barge intended for 500?

[Nevermay]

or sending anyone onto the barge at all, when it was known the water supply was contaminated with legionnaires disease?

Gross negligence? Reckless endangerment?

Any individual who contributed to the situation, placing asylum seekers on the barge while knowing either that one had TB, or that the water supply was unsafe needs to be taken to court and charged, who ever they are.

surely?

Shh, we are not meant to talk about that, it upsets people.

It wasn't me who mentioned 'illegal migrants', it was @Xol please try and keep up.

In the interests of factual accuracy I would like to point out that Antartica has a much lower population density than the UK, France or Germany, I don't seem them taking any migrants?

Shall we take some time to consider whether the German economy is booming because they look after all their people not just the rich?

This is partially true - hence why the BCG is given to babies whose grandparents originate from countries with an incidence of more than 1 in 40

however there are also London boroughs with the same - hence if you are born in Blackheath you get given the BCG, if you are born in Kingston you don’t - subject to the grandparents point above

of foreign countries the rates vary hugely

Do you mean the devastation caused in the Americas when Europeans brought infections such as measles, syphyllis and other illnesses previously unknown to the indigenous population?

Right. Not our problem eh?

SerendipityJane
I don't see why the French are at fault here

I don't see why the French should be described as "selfless, proactive..." when we are paying them to do a job.

I wonder what your definition of a booming economy is because it seems to differ from the one Reuters use.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-economy-stagnates-q2-2023-07-28/#:~:text=The%20German%20statistics%20office%20also,from%20a%20decline%20of%200.5%25.

I pay this government to do a fucking job.

I pay a fucktonne of money for this government to do a job.

We many not be able to keep immigrants out, but that is no reason not to keep the blame at home. Even if it's all we have to export these days.

Wow @Jennygosoftly your replies are utterly lacking in any thought or fact (and to be honest are pretty stupid) but posters on here have let it go

the legionnaires has come from the water supply - as you can imagine the supply isn’t connected to mains in the same way normal houses are. It’s a makeshift plumbing system that can’t handle the numbers on board (and oil rigs have far greater numbers so have much better supplies)

but this is disgusting to boot - are you really saying that any human being deserves to get TB or legionnaires. Who the hell do you think you are

The barge and rwanda are irrelevant really, between them the6d be full just with Saturdays crossings. Add Sunday too and that's a whole new barge in a day. Plus the backlog. We need thousands of places not 1 barge of 500 when 3 to a room and 200 to Rwanda.

@Jennygosoftly

again you literally have no understanding . What Planet are you on if you think we can import all of our goods by air? You do realise freight travels by sea - ever heard of the Suez Canal

SerendipityJane
I pay this government to do a f... job

But you are on Mumsnet complaining about the government all the time - why can't we complain about the French? Nothing to do with the French being "selfless" - we are paying them to do a job. I haven't described the UK government as selfless.

The other reason is that it's very easy to disappear into the black economy

Well that's funny because Labour wanted to close the borders because of covid,
so are they on another planet?

It was the Tories who kept them open

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnson-to-order-mps-to-abstain-in-labour-vote-on-closing-borders-zhv38pzw6

That's a silly argument. The climate is problematic in those countries.

Well, you were quite happy with the German economy on another thread. (The Migrant Barge)

at 17.08 12.8.23 you said

"Given that Germany is more successful country than the UK at present, would it not be a good thing to be run by Germans?"

OK this is interesting. Always good to hear both sides even though I agreed with the OPs original post.

It wasn’t a personal insult at all. It was pointing out that your arguments were irrational and unreasoned, ladened in ’lowest common denominator’ logic. The Muslim countries won’t help their own and rip us off as well (never mind how we plundered the earth and also their lands for centuries) so why should we help their ‘brothers and sisters’. These are people we are talking about. But for the accident of birth, it could be you. I am astonished at the lack of empathy for fellow human beings, regardless of their religion and heritage.

it reminds me of that scene in A Time to Kill - close your eyes, picture the situation, you’re in a country with no prospects, no jobs, war, persecution, no democracy, no hope. Picture the over ladened boats, hear the screams and the terror, watch those three boys clinging to a rudder in the rough sea for days and days, look hard at the body of a two year old washed up on a uk beach like flotsam.

now imagine they are white.

@Guiltridden12345 Posting emotive rhetoric isn't helpful and makes you sound like something off the DM front page.

No it doesn’t, it highlights your lack of humanity and I hope it makes a point. It was no coincidence that those brexit posters showed pictures of queues of brown people to make its point about inter-European migration. Our heart warming response to Ukrainians has been very different to our reaction to our migrating Muslim brothers and sisters, as you call them. Have the views you want but at least be honest with yourself about them.

"our migrating Muslim brothers and sisters, as you call them."

Excuse me but I never said that at all, please don't make stuff up.

I said that the rich Gulf States should look after their Muslim brothers and sisters.

They can put up tents for the pilgrims to Mecca (which earns them money) but not for refugees.

https://www.lejournalinternational.fr/Syrian-refugees-why-won-t-the-oil-rich-Gulf-States-take-them-in_a3477.html

So are you advocating that we just return everyone, including genuine refugees?

The issue of countries that won't take their citizens back is a totally separate one which would apply however illegal migrants got here, not just in relation to those getting in by boat.

GThe problem of not knowing who migrants or or their not having travel documents is a massively exaggerated one which the Home Office are in reality able to deal with perfectly easily if they choose to through an efficient immigration processing system. Genuine refugees do everything they can to prove who they are and why they are in need of help, therefore if they refuse to co-operate the Home Office and Immigration Tribunal can and do work on the assumption that it is because they are not genuine. This is yet another of those artificial bogeymen that the Mail and Sun like to get their readers to froth about.

@JanieEyre "The problem of not knowing who migrants or or their not having travel documents is a massively exaggerated one which the Home Office are in reality able to deal with perfectly easily if they choose to through an efficient immigration processing system"

How?

So it depends on land area does it? So maybe they should all go to Russia?

Nothing to do with infrastructure or population or anything else? Interesting!