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Gross negligence? Knowingly placing an individual with TB on a barge intended for 500?

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 00:01

or sending anyone onto the barge at all, when it was known the water supply was contaminated with legionnaires disease?

Gross negligence? Reckless endangerment?

Any individual who contributed to the situation, placing asylum seekers on the barge while knowing either that one had TB, or that the water supply was unsafe needs to be taken to court and charged, who ever they are.

surely?

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jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:14

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:09

Well that's what Labour wanted to do during the pandemic, so I assumed they just meant the sea borders as as you say we still need to trade. We could trade by air. We import lots of goods that way anyway.

A lot of our earnings are via banking & insurance and they can be done via internet,

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Does flying kill bacteria and virus?

User98866 · 14/08/2023 07:15

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:11

I think you are missing the key reason for the government putting people onto the barge.

To generate headlines in particular newspapers. The government want to appear to be being tough on one particular desperate group of migrants, probably because they can't rouse a hate for the EU now that we have left.

Generating such hate is a distraction from addressing the reasons why so many in the UK are struggling to feed their families.

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Thankyou! Exactly this. It also stops the DM frothers from realising how much legal migration has gone up in the past few years.

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:16

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:14

I'm glad you agree with me (the weather is baking here BTW and we are even heading for a water shortage)

People can stay at home and holiday in UK and support our economy here instead of Benidorm.

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I am just worried about how Rishi will cope, he does like to jet all over the place, in order to expedite global warming creating more migrants on boats.

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:17

User98866 · 14/08/2023 07:15

Thankyou! Exactly this. It also stops the DM frothers from realising how much legal migration has gone up in the past few years.

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It also stops them wondering why there are over a million empty homes in the UK, or that the rich pay a lower proportion of income in tax than they do.

Very useful.

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:20

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:14

Does flying kill bacteria and virus?

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Of course it doesn't but don't people have to be fit to fly?

And migrants are pretty unlikely to want to come by air as that means they'll have to have papers and money and they don't have either of those.

If people have flown in and they turn out to be sick at least we'll know who they are, where they've come from and they will have health insurance. So that won't burden our NHS.

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:23

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:16

I am just worried about how Rishi will cope, he does like to jet all over the place, in order to expedite global warming creating more migrants on boats.

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Well he'll have to have to WFH as we all had to do during the pandemic.

Seymour5 · 14/08/2023 07:24

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:14

In the year to March 2023 74% of initial asylum decisions were to grant protection. The number of asylum seekers who were not granted asylum in 2022 is smaller than the size of the largest UK village.

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I’m also aware of the percentages, but what are the numbers? Given that there’s a huge backlog, are the cases perhaps being selected, as refusals bring their own issues when it comes to removals.

Seymour5 · 14/08/2023 07:27

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:20

Of course it doesn't but don't people have to be fit to fly?

And migrants are pretty unlikely to want to come by air as that means they'll have to have papers and money and they don't have either of those.

If people have flown in and they turn out to be sick at least we'll know who they are, where they've come from and they will have health insurance. So that won't burden our NHS.

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Money can’t be the issue, as applying via legal routes is cheaper than paying traffickers. Documents will be a problem for some.

Wsmi · 14/08/2023 07:28

These are mostly economic migrants. The issue is that in this country the law encourages illegal migration. The acceptance rate of asylum claims is much higher here than France for example. Or other European countries. In France only 40% of claims are accepted. When our governments are inviting illegal migration but practically approving almost all claims when on the continent they don’t, then we will get more people wanting to come here.

Successive governments, especially the Tory government have lied to everyone. They have no intention of stopping the boats. They want more low skilled migration. Encouraging people over on board is an easy way to do that. Blair started this to massage economic growth figures through the import of cheap labour and Tories have continues it. It absolves them of the responsibility of bettering the country through true economic growth.

The result is that country gets poorer on a per capita basis. UK standard of living has nose dived and will continue to do so due to low skilled migration of all types.

Labour will speed this up even more. No one has any intention of stopping the boats.

Wsmi · 14/08/2023 07:30

Seymour5 · 14/08/2023 07:24

I’m also aware of the percentages, but what are the numbers? Given that there’s a huge backlog, are the cases perhaps being selected, as refusals bring their own issues when it comes to removals.

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Our asylum system practically makes it impossible to be rejected. They are mostly economic migrants. However, UK’s system is designed to encourage migration not, protect refugees.

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:31

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:20

Of course it doesn't but don't people have to be fit to fly?

And migrants are pretty unlikely to want to come by air as that means they'll have to have papers and money and they don't have either of those.

If people have flown in and they turn out to be sick at least we'll know who they are, where they've come from and they will have health insurance. So that won't burden our NHS.

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Most migrants, to the UK arrive by air.

Oddly on the few occassions in my life that I have flown I haven't been subject o health checks before the flight, has that now changed?

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:32

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:23

Well he'll have to have to WFH as we all had to do during the pandemic.

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We already know that Rishi Sunak didn't cope well with working from home and attended illegal parties with his neighbour.

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:34

Seymour5 · 14/08/2023 07:24

I’m also aware of the percentages, but what are the numbers? Given that there’s a huge backlog, are the cases perhaps being selected, as refusals bring their own issues when it comes to removals.

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So you were already aware when you said

Do most people really believe everyone who takes the trafficking route to the UK is a genuine refugee?

That most of them are genuine refugees, you just think others don't know the statistics?

In that situation I think it might be helpful to politely remind people of the figures when they make this error.

Willmafrockfit · 14/08/2023 07:35

many migrants have latent tb

TeenagersAngst · 14/08/2023 07:36

I've seen on this thread and others, the repeated statistic about us accepting 75% of asylum claims, thereby refuting the economic migrant argument. But why is it so high compared to other countries, and is this an added incentive to come here?

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 07:36

user1492757084 · 14/08/2023 06:06

Do the places from whence they embark hold such high standards? Is it a comparison of one danger to another of staying in danger/hunger etc?
Life is more risky for some people.

I agree that people are reckless, with no regard for the welfare of those who have not invited them.
For thousands of years humans have invaded the space of others and spread all over the globe.
History repeating.

sorry, I do not understand your post - life is more risky for some people? Its ok for us to place these people at risk? It is ok to endanger their lives?

The legionaires disease bacteria on the barge has originated in the UK., it has not been brought here by asylum seekers, likewise the TB is may well be of UK origin, rather than imported. It is common here, and there are certain rules around how it is contained, which apparently have not been applied here, which puts everyone accommodated with the infected individual at risk, as well as the general population

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jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:36

Wsmi · 14/08/2023 07:28

These are mostly economic migrants. The issue is that in this country the law encourages illegal migration. The acceptance rate of asylum claims is much higher here than France for example. Or other European countries. In France only 40% of claims are accepted. When our governments are inviting illegal migration but practically approving almost all claims when on the continent they don’t, then we will get more people wanting to come here.

Successive governments, especially the Tory government have lied to everyone. They have no intention of stopping the boats. They want more low skilled migration. Encouraging people over on board is an easy way to do that. Blair started this to massage economic growth figures through the import of cheap labour and Tories have continues it. It absolves them of the responsibility of bettering the country through true economic growth.

The result is that country gets poorer on a per capita basis. UK standard of living has nose dived and will continue to do so due to low skilled migration of all types.

Labour will speed this up even more. No one has any intention of stopping the boats.

@wsmi do I understand from your post that you are against permitting economic migration?

Seymour5 · 14/08/2023 07:36

jgw1 · 14/08/2023 07:34

So you were already aware when you said

Do most people really believe everyone who takes the trafficking route to the UK is a genuine refugee?

That most of them are genuine refugees, you just think others don't know the statistics?

In that situation I think it might be helpful to politely remind people of the figures when they make this error.

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Perhaps @Wsmi is right.

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 07:39

Jennygosoftly · 14/08/2023 07:02

If people are going to arrive with diseases then we need to close all the borders until it's sorted out.

This is what Labour wanted to do during the pandemic. but the Tories wouldn't let them.

If we get a Labour government in I can see them doing that, which is a good idea to keep us all safe.

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the legionnaire's disease originated in the UK - nobody "arrived" with it

The TB might well have done too, given the conditions people are being warehoused in, this individual might well have caught TB here

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bellac11 · 14/08/2023 07:39

I work with children who often have TB, no ones ever tested me and Ive not been required to notifiy anyone who I am formally in health. In fact I asked my GP about updated vaccinations as I work with people with TB at times and we are exposed to this and he was quite dismissive and said that its not that effective for people over 40. I dont know if thats true.

lljkk · 14/08/2023 07:39

This thread is a portal to 2020 Daily Mail style (covid-like) paranoia.

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Nevermay · 14/08/2023 07:40

OneTwoThreeShake · 14/08/2023 07:04

It's shameful, negligent behaviour. When covid was gripping, our government tested elderly patients before discharge from hospital and then discharged them before the results were received. And that turned out well, didn't it? These barges are a disgrace anyway, but boarding people onto them before having the all clear from testing is what we should expect from our moronic, complacent, don't give a shit government.

As for France stopping small boats, they no longer have any obligation as we voted for Brexit which has been implement. So thanks again.

And people have the right, under international law, to claim asylum anywhere. Stupid people choose to believe they have to stop in the first safe country they reach, but it absolutely isn't true. And rightly so.

yes

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Merseymum992 · 14/08/2023 07:42

The barge looks very nice.
It is also worlds away from whatever horrors these people are running away from. I don't think they have the place to complain about it at all - we are paying for it!

Wsmi · 14/08/2023 07:43

lljkk · 14/08/2023 07:39

This thread is a portal to 2020 Daily Mail style (covid-like) paranoia.

Maybe you have been living under a rock for the last year or so, but most of the ‘paranoia’ turned out to be true. According to the FBI and health bodies the world over.