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Downstairs neighbour works nights, AIBU?

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WFHWithNightsNeighbour · 13/08/2023 23:38

It’s just me and a DC aged 9 at home.

Downstairs neighbour works 4 nights a week then has his own DC every Saturday to Monday.

We be as considerate as we can but I wfh 3 days a week, I have already upped my office days by 1 per week to accommodate downstairs. I cannot go in anymore days as we no longer have our own desks and there’s more staff than desks, we have to book and we’re only guaranteed 1 day per week in the office, I had to argue for 2 days.

Which means at least 3 days per week I am wfh. Sadly my office days are Monday (when he’s off) and Thursday. I have no control over my days, I can’t swap them unless I have a face to face meeting on another day which doesn’t tend to happen.

I don’t run my washing machine in the day, I don’t use my hoover in the week at all, I don’t play music while I’m working.

But I do have to take virtual meetings, sometimes with clients. These are usually 2-3 times a day for 30-60minutes at a time.

I do these at the kitchen table which is the furthest room from downstairs bedroom. I use noise cancelling headphones and talk as quietly as possible. I get that it’s noisy but I have to work, if I don’t work then my own mental health suffers. I love my job.

I don't let DC run around inside with shoes on, and they're at school in term time or holiday club in holidays unless I'm on Annual Leave (I don't WFH with my DC at home).

Apparently, I’m constantly disturbing him, he can hear me typing reports and taking calls. He's been woken up several times over the last week by me working and he's knocked on my door each time. He’s also complained to our housing association previously who sympathised but basically told him it was normal household noise. I know because I've had a letter which had the title "Noise Complaint" but said "We've visited the complainents property at the times of day the complaint was made about and decided that this falls into the category of everyday household noise and therefore no action will be taken. No further complaints on this matter will be considered"

He then accused me of running a business from my flat (which is against tenancy) but they came and saw it was just a wfh job and said it was fine.They did ask me if I could go into the office more but when I showed them the email from my manager saying he had to cap it at 2 days per week and the reasons why they said that he (downstairs) would have to cope.

What else can I do? I don’t want to fall out with him. No chance of being rehoused as there’s a CAO for contact which states I have to live within a certain distance of ExH and we’re already at that boundary, I’ve been offered further away but when I discussed it with ExH he said he’d take me back to court over it which I can’t afford either mentally or monetary – the last case cost me over £15k which I’m still repaying 4 years after it ended.

OP posts:
Alwayswonderedwhy · 14/08/2023 07:20

You've gone above and beyond. Living in a flat really isn't going to work for him if he can't tolerate any sort of every day noise.

Newcastlecovleeds · 14/08/2023 07:28

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Soapyspuds · 14/08/2023 07:29

You are doing all you can already. He needs to sleep with ear plugs.

Hoooodoyouthink · 14/08/2023 07:30

He needs to get some decent earplugs and get a life. Or move to a detached house! It's not your problem, you're just living a normal life ffs.

Darkbulb · 14/08/2023 07:31

This is a NeighbourProblem, not a YouProblem.

You're being incredibly thoughtful anyway, and to be honest - as a night shift worker - I wouldn't expect you to hold your washing or hoovering.

As someone who works night shifts - i play white noise, I have black out blinds, and if needed I have ear plugs.

It isn't my neighbours fault or problem that I have a job with unsociable hours!

Clefable · 14/08/2023 07:32

Yep, ear plugs and white noise. I work evenings/late so often to back to bed for a bit during day to catch up on sleep and with ear plugs and white noise I don't even hear DH wrangling two screaming kids in the same house, let alone someone typing.

JaukiVexnoydi · 14/08/2023 07:37

You are not doing anything wrong. Your housing association have mediated and agreed that you are fine. If he continues hassling you, you need to make a complaint to them about his harassment. You have the right to live your life and are already being way more considerate than the minimum that could be expected of you.

It sounds like his working hours mean his lifestyle may not br suitable for living in a downstairs flat. He either needs to invest in some very high quality earplugs/a white noise generator etc to make his environment tolerable, or he needs a different home without an upstairs neighbour.

It is not your responsibility to do anything further for him.

Sparklfairy · 14/08/2023 07:38

I can't believe you've been as accomodating as you have tbh.

I worked nights, in a flat, in a city centre. There was a salon below me blaring thumping music all day long and a newborn above me.

Yes, sometimes I grumbled when I was woken up. To myself! But jesus, on no planet ever would I expect people to tiptoe round me because of my job choice!

He's insane. His options are earplugs, move house or change job. Not expect everyone else to pander to something he does that's outside normal living.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 14/08/2023 07:38

WFHWithNightsNeighbour · 13/08/2023 23:49

@CyberCritical Thick carpet in every room apart from Bathroom and Kitchen as per tenancy, I do have mats down in the bathroom but layout of kitchen (long and thin with a bigger part where the table is) means I can't put a rug in there.

In that case you might be better working in one of the carpeted rooms even though it's closer to his bedroom, but other than that there isn't anything else to suggest. The two of you may well fall out if he's going to be a dick about it, but there isn't really any way round that.

Dinojump · 14/08/2023 07:44

Does he not realise that if you move out, the chances are the next family will be even noisier.

Not that you are being noisy. It's everyday noise.

JaukiVexnoydi · 14/08/2023 07:45

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hi @Miandcoco
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ThinWomansBrain · 14/08/2023 07:45

You've tried being accommodating - far too much by the sound of it.
In your place I'd resume normal living - and I think the HA were unreasonable for asking you to go in to the office rather than WFH.

I agree if he persists is disturbing you, keep a log and report him to the HA or police.

maryberryslayers · 14/08/2023 07:46

Stop pandering to this asshole. You are doing nothing wrong, you're going above and beyond to try to accommodate him. Just live your life as you normally would. Stop teaching your dc that you have to do what bullies tell you. If you were a man or there's no way he'd be knocking on your door to tell you to stop typing!
Just respond once to tell him to contact the HA not you. Then don't respond/answer the door again. If he persists contact the police, he has no right to harass you and your child.

Plantyplantplants · 14/08/2023 07:50

You have a neighbour problem. He is a bully. It’s a control issue. Can you report him for harassment? I would stop engaging with him, don’t speak to him at all, if you see him just ignore him. Grey rock.

Some intolerant neighbours will fixate on what they perceive their neighbours to be doing wrong. Even though they are not entirely innocent themselves.

I got asked to stop drilling the other evening (it wasn’t an unreasonable time) despite being woken up nearly every day at 6:30 am by my neighbour slamming her door and her yappy dog. I am also a single mum, I currently live my life sleep-deprived and knackered. She disturbs me more than we disturb her. Thank goodness she’s moving soon.

Enfys1982 · 14/08/2023 07:55

What else can you do?

Tell him to fuck off.

It’s his choice to work nights. He can’t expect the rest of the world to stay absolutely quiet during the daytime just so he can sleep.

GoingInsaneAhhh · 14/08/2023 07:55

I just wanted to say i lived in a terrace house once and if next door stood near to the joining wall i could hear their conversation. I also heard his rather vocal girlfriend when they were shagging! Very ott!

its just something you have to live with and get on. Hes being a little unreasonable. Does he use ear plugs?

maybe send this thread to him

Marchitectmummy · 14/08/2023 07:56

Sounds like the flat isn't suitable for your neighbours needs, they should consider relocating.

Gnomegnomegnome · 14/08/2023 07:56

I used to work nights. I did get disturbed sometimes by people going about their day but I was the one working unsociable hours (and my pay reflected this) and I wouldn’t have dreamed of telling people to keep quiet.
You have done so much to accommodate him already, stop and get on with your day.

anyolddinosaur · 14/08/2023 07:58

Those suggesting you hoover and use your washing machine are dicks, dont be those people. However you are being considerate, he is being a bully.

If he complains to you again I'll tell him, politely, that you have been very considerate and if he continues to complain you will hoover at a time convenient to you. So he can get some decent earplugs and stop complaining or he will have more normal household noise to deal with.

Newcastlecovleeds · 14/08/2023 08:02

Your awesom. Thank you.

Apologies to original poster for detailing your thread. I wasn’t sure how to post.

Thanks again

Flavabobble · 14/08/2023 08:02

I work some weird shifts. When I'm trying to sleep at 5pm and other people's kids are making a racket outside I don't kick up a fuss, I get over myself. He needs to do the same

Roselilly36 · 14/08/2023 08:03

I agree with PP’s, you have been more than accommodating to the neighbour. You need to be able to live in your home. I can’t see how you can do anymore. If neighbour doesn’t like it, perhaps living in a flat is unsuitable for their needs. That isn’t your problem.

jeaux90 · 14/08/2023 08:05

I'd start to turn the tables on this one, next time he knocks you tell him it's normal noise and you feel like it's starting to turn into harassment.

Men love picking on women who are on their own OP.

MzHz · 14/08/2023 08:06

oh you poor thing! I agree with the other posters, this ISNT your problem to fix, it’s his. You’re tiptoeing around in your own life because HE won’t take responsibility for his own choices.

stop the nonsense of whispering and not hoovering or whatever! LIVE your life as you need to.

you now have it in writing that not one more complaint from this guy will be heard so stop trying to live within HIS rules.

If he contacts you, say that you’re going above and beyond what is reasonable to try not to disturb him, but he will have to get earplugs/white noise machine to help him with normal everyday activities around him.

or he moves to somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

be brave, be pragmatic but be firm. He can’t control what other people do and he can’t have this kind of power over you.

you’re doing absolutely nothing wrong other than to pander to his ridiculous sense of entitlement

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 14/08/2023 08:09

Yeah, it's a him problem. You've been bending over backwards to accommodate him, a lot more than what most people would do. What has HE done to help himself except complaining?

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