I have no words - woman now stranded after wanting to give birth in St Lucia (on the beach...)

[Nanny0gg]

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/new-mum-stranded-after-being-8669669

What on earth were they thinking??

Actually the hurricane season lasts until November and this year we have had very hot days and lots of rain. People remark at how hot it is but our tourist season when the winds blow and it is lovely weather is from November to May. Then it is hot and can be humid. We have AC on every day and electric bills are very high. I love living here. In fact I doubt I will ever return to London and return airfares are ridiculously high. BA flies all year and Virgin in the tourist season and Tui is the same.

The poster might not be in the UK time zone.

Maybe they are lovely people, I don't know them. I can't agree this was beyond their control though. Naive maybe, but any plans like this should involve hard research on the laws of the lands. This was a poorly thought out plan and it looks like they are now going to have to go through the appropriate processes to sort it out.

Well, I suppose we can all just hope that the publicity around this situation helps make others more aware of the issues and not fall into this kind of situation themselves.

People do like to discuss public interest stories though. The mushroom dinner thread is humming along as well.

Ooohhhh we've been waiting for people who know them to turn up

Are they really clueless dimwits in real life or did they do their research on this and the rules in the Carribean aren't as they were advertised?

How long were they expecting the birth certificate and passport to take? Considering they left their 8yo DD behind so easily.

Get real 🫣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

They didn't "end up in the circumstances".

They created them.

How about you get a hobby instead of being so invested in something you don’t know the full story about? Could be the next Norris Cole over there

I’m assuming you are clearly someone with no life/job/ hobbies of your own in order to be able to write a 12 paragraph book at 4:35am in the morning… you have no idea on their circumstances but still you carry on being judge jury and wannabe executioner you clearly have nothing better to do babes

Except we do know because they decided it was a wise idea (probably hoping for a go fund me or similar) to sell their story to the press.

They've literally told the world they abandoned their 8yo to go and give birth on a Carribean beach.

RedToothBrush is a very insightful poster who can write really well. I'm not going to say we agree on everything because we have very differing views on some things. But her ability to type well and argue her side is second to none. Apparently she's a comedian too which I never knew

How about you get a hobby instead of being so invested in something you don’t know the full story about?

We actually want to know more if it's available. Perhaps get your friends to sell more of their story?

We'd love to hear more about why they abandoned their 8yo DD to travel 4000 miles to give birth on a beach and seem surprised that they couldn't get a birth certificate and passport immediately to go home.

We are all really intrigued to the ins and outs of this.

I won't be around during the day because I have work today but I look forward to a new press release or your updates later on.

Although your attitude as being their friends is giving a lot of us a good insight into the type of people they are

You didn't aim this comment at me but was there not a beach in the UK that would do for a birth? I won't call them names or assume anything about their intelligence because I think we've all made mistakes in our pasts through naivety, but I can't see how this isn't an unforeseen consequence of their choices. Entirely preventable but, like a lot of things, hindsight is everything.

firstly they didn’t get any money for the story, they only spoke out to raise awareness of a problem they’ve encountered that they have no control over.

secondly, Liza hasn’t been abandoned, she’s happy as Larry being well looked after by Kristina, enjoying her summer holidays, she’s going to Blackpool pleasure beach with us for my daughters birthday in a couple of weeks and doesn’t feel ‘abandoned’ in any way.

thirdly, regardless of one’s ability to type well, getting so emotionally invested in someone else’s story isn’t good for your own mental health never mind then feeling the need to pass judgement and make nasty comments (none of which i thought had any comedy value).. what does it achieve besides a high blood pressure 🤔

Apologies if ‘my attitude as their friends’ has been taken in a negative way.

they are good honest people and seeing all the (frankly absurd) conspiracy theories and nasty negative comments towards good friends does tend to trigger a negative reaction.

i won’t be revealing any ‘gossip’ all I will say is Louisa is Clive & Iuliias much loved baby, not a surrogate baby to be sold or bought and Liza is very well loved and looked after and certainly hasn’t been abandoned.

I really think the world needs more kindness as some of the comments on here are appalling and if you found yourself in such a situation and then read such negativity imagine how you would feel - just look at Caroline Flack. Some of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Kindness costs nothing.

Rasing awareness of what? a silly situation they put thereselves in because they couldn't be bothered to do any research, it really isn't a situation which needs awareness raising.

These are two stupid people who as they are parents really need to grow the hell up.

They might be good honest people but they are also total dipshits.

Apparently having an interesting and amusing time investigating information on the 'net and discussing it with other women makes one a pitiable person with no hobbies, now! This from the Be Kind poster, too. Nice bit of hypocrisy there.

firstly they didn’t get any money for the story, they only spoke out to raise awareness of a problem they’ve encountered that they have no control over.

They've spoken out.

They've raised awareness.

They've put the story in the public eye.

Now the public have opinions on it.

If they'd have kept their stupid decision quiet like they have since a March when they took it then no one would be discussing it.

I think that looking into, and discussing, news stories is a hobby, right?

@Motherofkittycats

Could you elucidate on your Norris Cole reference please?

I really think the world needs more kindness as some of the comments on here are appalling and if you found yourself in such a situation and then read such negativity imagine how you would feel - just look at Caroline Flack. Some of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Kindness costs nothing.

Some of the comments are tongue in cheek but yes I agree some of the theories could be hurtful to friends despite not being the intention.

But they brought this situation in themselves. And using CF as an example isn't exactly a great comparison. Because - again - the reason people judged is because she committed DV (and on MN if that was a man there would be merry he'll raised quite rightly).

There is a good argument for how SM does mean people discuss peoples lives in detail and the risks of that. However like I said - they could have stopped that happening by not putting their story out there publicly. Especially when they totally created this situation and should have known by trying to say they aren't being helped wasn't going to go down well. What were they wanting? Just to be given a passport and crack on? Not to have due process followed?

"A problem they've encountered" - you make it sound like this is just some random problem that has blown into their path with no warning and nothing they could have done to prevent it 🤣

@Motherofkittycats "Raise awareness" 😂

So many PPs were right - there is a GoFundMe in the pipeline!

They were told they could not register the birth in St Lucia, as they could not prove where Louisa was born.

I don't see how Grenada would have the standing to issue any form of birth certificate to a non-Grenadian not born in Grenada.

It is possibly (though a PITA) to go through life without a birth certificate (some countries do not insist on registration, or it's patchily administered, or records are destroyed (eg in war/insurrection) or people have fled without all their documents and there's no realistic prospect of re-obtaining them)

So there are work arounds, but they may take time.

It looks like the consulate in Grenada have activated a work round by advising that a DNA result proving Louisa is the child of these British parents will mean they can establish British citizenship by descent for the baby, and get the documentation enabling her to travel to UK.

As the article says, the current hold up is the need to await the DNA results.

It sounds like you yourself have children, possibly around 8 years old @Motherofkittycats How would you feel about leaving them with family for 5+ months? Take out the ridiculousness of post birth, they went at 35 weeks supposedly, so planning to not see their 8 year old for potentially 7 weeks if she went over.

Do nice, kind, lovely people not see their small child for 7 weeks due to a selfish want? Nothing to do with need, purely a want.

My mind boggles that you can so desperately defend them. I dont care if their 8 year old is at Disney everyday, there is no way she doesnt massively miss her parents, no matter how 'fun' her aunt is. It isn't her mother.

Maybe mention to Clive that, as well as remembering to report the birth of his child in international waters next time, he also shouldn’t sell his story to the international press if he doesn’t want people to know what idiots him and his wife are?

People are discussing this in the U.K., France, Germany, the US etc, because Clive has sold this story to every UK tabloid, every UK local newspaper, the New York Post, India Times, RTL, and god knows who else. Bit rich for him to them decide he just wanted people to read all these stories in silence and not discuss it at all?

You are going to have a lot of work to do if you are planning to pop up on every negative comments thread to explain that none of this is their fault.