Statement by the Chair of the Conservative Party

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"If they don't like barges they should fuck off back to France". 30p Lee Anderson of course, not the BNP. Not the National Front or whatever their current name is. The Chairman of the Conservative Party. Supporters must be so proud. What a statesman. So Churchillian.

But that's the rub, the impacts are unknown. There's a real tendency when discussing climate change to focus on temperature rises and how that impacts the developing world, at least as far as the UK media is concerned. This then feeds the narrative that we'll be OK as it's an over there problem. The truth is much less clear.

It's entirely possible that climate change could make the UK uninhabitable. And very quickly. And even if not completely uninhabitable, completely unsustainable, as our ability to grow crops gets trashed.

Leaving the ECHR isn't tenable for the UK.

That's exactly what they said about the EU. And yet !!!!.

I'll believe that when they act it.

I know it's only been said tens of times but I'll say it again so eventually you may comprehend it.

Tory's are are power. They have the policies.

Labour are the opposition. They will release their policies when a GE is called.

It's so obvious this is a chat GTP responder. It's just so stereotypical of a car right answer

Remembermynamealways has just about run out of steam on here, I think.

One of the grown up newspapers - may have been the Guardian - published a very detailed analysis of how the UK couldn't leave the ECHR when David Cameron blathered on about a British Bill of Rights. They noted that membership of the EU required acceding to the ECHR.

Not so sure the UK will attract high quality workers from abroad without some sort of protection for it's inmates from the power of the state. And if I wanted to work in a country that wasn't a member of the ECHR I would have taken up one of the Russian tech jobs that keep getting punted now they are fucked.

I say temperature because other issues will not be so contained to a central belt, nothing to to with the U.K. media.

Movement will generally be away from the tropics, from Wired

‘The global map of today’s climate impacts, and those modeled for the coming decades as temperatures continue to rise in this century, makes it clear that people will have to retreat from large swathes of the tropics, which will become unlivable for at least parts of the year’

’Where will they move to? Largely, northwards’

I haven’t posted we’ll be untouched by change, but yes some countries will suffer more due to location. Geography is a factor which is why people with enough £ choose a bolt hole in NZ over India.

Of course it might be nice if we all collaborate and the northern countries, or further south below the equator say ok come in. I think that’s not taking into account human nature and the destabilising impact. We’re already seeing it in some places, not much but early days, and not here but EU

I agree with him too. These ‘refugees’ are mainly young men, they are not true asylum seekers like the Ukrainian women and children who people were happy to help.

But we are not a member of the EU, are we ?. And I doubt any of the high-quality workers flooding across the channel can even spell ECHR.

Regarding tech punting - do you speak Russian ?.

Is there something going on with Tories memories?
Tory PM Truss crashed the economy.
Tory PM May brought this trans shitshow on our heads in 2017.
Our current Sec of State for Education cannot safeguard our girls because she can't define the word girl.
Canada and New Zealand are full TWAW, so you're jumping out of the pan and into the fire @Remembermynamealways.
ULEZ was a Tory plan.
Our immigration problems are the result of Tory incompetence and laziness.
The Tories have been in power for 13 years. The country is a mess because they're shit at running the country.

How have Tory voters managed to miss all this?

But we are not a member of the EU, are we ?. And I doubt any of the high-quality workers flooding across the channel can even spell ECHR.

It's quite a feat to get so much misreading into a single post. Maybe you need a rest ?

Are there any human rights you would like to give up?

How have Tory voters managed to miss all this?

Sings "But Jeremy Corbyn ...."

Is America in the ECHR? Is Canada, Australia and loads more countries all these migrants would be happy to live in?

Are you asking if America is in Europe?

So which of the human rights would you like to give up?

All of those countries have constitutions limiting the power of the state and forcing their governments to act lawfully.

Absent the ECHR, the UK would have nothing, apart from the promises of politicians. None of whom I would trust as a matter of principle.

People forget (or more likely never knew, either way it's on their intellectual capabilities) that in the UK Parliament is supreme. It has no let or fetter on what it can - and cannot do. Yes, governments are bound by law. But if they don't like it, they can just get parliament to vote to do whatever they like. There really is no other quasi democractic country in the world like it.

Ha Labour Issue??? So they ve been in for 13 years too? the people who came to the UK during Labours time in office, came here to work, many of gone back to their home countries and we are paying for that too.

No, this is a Tory issue, they took us out of the EU and that means France or the EU has any interest in helping us, no returns agreement and they ve allowed numbers to grow and grow over the last few years and have sat on their hands & people know it, hence the Cons disastrous showing in the polls on this issue.

What cruel and tough measures do you think would deter migrants from crossing the channel?

People who call for these sorts of solutions, never say what they should be....

Wonder why?

So before we joined the echr (50 odd years ago) we had no human rights against the state then? What nonsense.

Actually, you had common law which could be overwritten by Parliament.

ECHR was written by English lawyers, btw.

The UK helped set it up and signed it in 1951, not 50 years ago.

ECHR done to try and stop what happened in Nazi Germany in the late 20 and early 30s, where a European state went from a democracy to a dictatorship.

Not perfect but Western Europe hasn't seen this sort of thing happen since.

Don't underestimate what Govt's will do in order to stay in power or remove our rights.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/why-uk-needs-human-rights

Have a read through this

The ECHR was drafted by David Maxwell Fyfe, who became Home Secretary and attorney general for the Conservatives.

Braverman is but a crumb compared to him.

How come a large percentage are awarded asylum or protection?

Because they meet the criteria for asylum? Maybe the Government's policy is actually just pure theatre for racists?