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Statement by the Chair of the Conservative Party

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newnamethanks · 08/08/2023 15:00

"If they don't like barges they should fuck off back to France". 30p Lee Anderson of course, not the BNP. Not the National Front or whatever their current name is. The Chairman of the Conservative Party. Supporters must be so proud. What a statesman. So Churchillian.

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Blossomtoes · 09/08/2023 11:55

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:54

Learn to read

Cross post. Amazing how rude some people get when they’re consistently losing the argument. 😂

Anxioys · 09/08/2023 11:55

It's a gnat bite compared to what is a bloody great wound

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:55

Those that throw stones…

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:56

Blossomtoes · 09/08/2023 11:55

Cross post. Amazing how rude some people get when they’re consistently losing the argument. 😂

Get a job love

Blossomtoes · 09/08/2023 11:56

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:55

Those that throw stones…

Indeed.

jgw1 · 09/08/2023 11:56

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:54

Talking of party donors.
Are you comfortable with a party donor and offical being a former member of Muburak's Eygptian government?

Blossomtoes · 09/08/2023 11:57

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:56

Get a job love

I had one for nearly 50 years. I don’t need one anymore, love.

You’re really getting rattled now, aren’t you? Nothing’s landing.

jgw1 · 09/08/2023 11:58

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:55

Those that throw stones…

Is that in Labour's policy on immigration that does and doesn't exist.

A sort of Schrodinger's stone throwing immigration policy?

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 09/08/2023 12:00

Remembermynamealways · 09/08/2023 11:28

So you agree. Higher taxes are apparently no bad thing?!

Managed well higher taxes are a good thing

I’m not sure any shit show of a government can “manage well” though

AIBot · 09/08/2023 12:01

It’s nothing new really. The Tories are coming up with this racist nonsense instead of running a solid immigration policy because they are scared losing voters with sympathy for UKIP. Their desperation to cling to power is looking, well, desperate.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23688826.firm-hosting-bibby-stockholm-barge-major-ukip-donor/

Family firm hosting controversial migrant barge donated £70,000 to UKIP

A family firm that is hosting the UK Government’s controversial migrant barge has been revealed to be a major UKIP donor.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23688826.firm-hosting-bibby-stockholm-barge-major-ukip-donor/

Clavinova · 09/08/2023 12:03

On the subject of donations to political parties are you comfortable with the donations and position in the Tory party from a former Egyptian minister under Mubarak?

Tony Blair: Mubarak is 'immensely courageous and a force for good'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/02/tony-blair-mubarak-courageous-force-for-good-egypt

jgw1 · 09/08/2023 12:03

Bingo.

Anxioys · 09/08/2023 12:05

Yes it's desperate and it has not worked. They have maybe nine months to get it together.

Incidentally, this magnificent barge apparently only has 15 people on it. Given the amount of coverage that seems to be pretty sub optimal as a deterrent

jgw1 · 09/08/2023 12:09

I'm going out for a few hours.

In that time can all posters try and remember that seeking asylum is legal in the UK no matter the route of arrival or which countries were transited to get here.
There are between 700,000 and over a million empty homes in the UK.
One of Muburak's ministers is Tory party treasurer.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 09/08/2023 12:18

CloudyMcCloud · 09/08/2023 11:48

I don’t think I’ve posted against working visas anywhere.

Yes I think it will get worse, not just here but across the Med. There’s no streamlined and easy way to deal with it, without citizens pushing back.

Someone mentioned politico in pp there’s an article about shift to right in EU, there’s already increased disquiet and it won’t get easier. It’s only the start but it’s already beginning to show.

So you're not bothered about immigration numbers, just by the status? Fair enough.

Climate change impacts will get worse everywhere. You seem to think this will translate into a them coming to us situation when that is not a guarantee.

Yes, developed nations may be better equipped to adapt to the direct impacts of climate change on their geographies in the short-term, but the longer-term consequences extend far beyond borders and nationalities.

Pursuing isolationist and nationalist ideologies at a time of global instability is the fastest way to find yourself staring down the barrel of a gun, unless you have the resources to become self-sufficient.

As the UK is an island nation that cannot feed or power itself (largely thanks to government ineptitude), and whose economy is dominated by sectors that derive their value from an intangible concept, it cannot hope to negotiate the impacts of climate change alone.

CloudyMcCloud · 09/08/2023 12:25

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 09/08/2023 12:18

So you're not bothered about immigration numbers, just by the status? Fair enough.

Climate change impacts will get worse everywhere. You seem to think this will translate into a them coming to us situation when that is not a guarantee.

Yes, developed nations may be better equipped to adapt to the direct impacts of climate change on their geographies in the short-term, but the longer-term consequences extend far beyond borders and nationalities.

Pursuing isolationist and nationalist ideologies at a time of global instability is the fastest way to find yourself staring down the barrel of a gun, unless you have the resources to become self-sufficient.

As the UK is an island nation that cannot feed or power itself (largely thanks to government ineptitude), and whose economy is dominated by sectors that derive their value from an intangible concept, it cannot hope to negotiate the impacts of climate change alone.

It’s also about geography and where climate change will hit hardest in terms of temperature. Which probably does tie in with developed nations as a quirk of this planet but it’s both geography and development stage.

I don’t think it’s my decision particularly, it’s looking at human nature and threats and how people are already pushing back. It will increase markedly.

I can’t see an easy solution where citizens will say ok. And yes getting stuff together to deal with it is a good idea.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/08/2023 12:42

It is not really a labour or tory issue and both of them have failed utterly in stopping both illegal immigrants and stopping the massive net immigration - now our highest in our history ever

Very well said, but it becomes a party political issue when there are votes to be won from those on all sides who like to pretend "theirs" will be the ones to make a difference through having the higher moral ground - and in the meantime parties get on with feathering the nests of their own client groups, hoping their supporters will be too distracted to notice

As you suggested this isn't going to get better with current approaches, and it may be that there'll have to be much more emphasis on the needs of existing communities among developed nations
Certainly this would be unpopular with those who appear to feel we have an obligation towards the entire planet, but since they offer no workable solutions either an alternative will be necessary if further hideous lurches to the extreme right are to be avoided

HannibalHeyes · 09/08/2023 12:53

Breaking: Energy supplier E.ON has announced profits of £4.9 billion for the first half of the year.

Up 40%.

But look at the boats, look at the boats...

Anxioys · 09/08/2023 12:55

It's the pre election period. I guess we are all systems go and it will be like this for months. Lots of talk, no delivery. A zombie government

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2023 12:59

Apparently Rish! is going to make an official visit to North Korea - there could be a deal possible where refugees are sent there.

Meanwhile, speaking of asylum and the inmates running it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66438422

Small boat crossing the English Channel

Tories could campaign to leave European human rights treaty if Rwanda flights blocked

The party is likely to back leaving ECHR if Rwanda flights are still blocked, senior Tories say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66438422

Anxioys · 09/08/2023 13:01

That is an accurate article of the legal issues. Leaving the ECHR isn't tenable for the UK.

I mean, we wrote most of it in the first place

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 09/08/2023 13:03

CloudyMcCloud · 09/08/2023 12:25

It’s also about geography and where climate change will hit hardest in terms of temperature. Which probably does tie in with developed nations as a quirk of this planet but it’s both geography and development stage.

I don’t think it’s my decision particularly, it’s looking at human nature and threats and how people are already pushing back. It will increase markedly.

I can’t see an easy solution where citizens will say ok. And yes getting stuff together to deal with it is a good idea.

But thats the rub, the impacts are unknown. There's a real tendancy when discussing climate change to focus on temperature rises and how that impacts the developing world, at least as far as the UK media is concerned. This then feeds the narrative that we'll be OK as it's an over there problem. The truth is much less clear.

For example, we know climate change is having an impact on the gulf stream, we're observing it slowing down much faster than anticipated, and that will present issues for both sides of the Atlantic.

While it remains active and ocean temperatures rise the UK can expect to experience more frequent and more intense storms as well as increasingly variable weather patterns. That will lead (and already has) to increased and more wide-spread flooding, increases in crop failure (or at least in yeild), insurance increases (particularly for buildings), revenue slumps (for certain industries), etc, etc.

If we had a competent government we might be able to put in adaptation measures, but those would largely become useless if the gulf stream then stopped (which it may well do).

Should it stop, the UK will experience significant temperature reductions (even I'm the face of global temperatures rises elsewhere) and it may become drier, which will impact everything from our ability to grow food to our ability to remain warm.

I realise this has gotten way off track so to bring it back around at least a little bit to the topic of the thread.

The solution to dealing with climate change impacts, including displacement, isn't to put up walls and closer borders, it's to engage and collaborate with everyone as everyone is going to be impacted sooner or later.

SerendipityJane · 09/08/2023 13:14

Anxioys · 09/08/2023 13:01

That is an accurate article of the legal issues. Leaving the ECHR isn't tenable for the UK.

I mean, we wrote most of it in the first place

England, Wales and Scotland can easily be withdrawn from the ECHR.

In theory the GFA requires Norther Ireland to remain. However international treaties are very moreish, and once you've broken one, it's not long before you want to break another.

Anyway the next move from the Tories will be to redefine "human" as "possessing a UK passport". Which would then allow the UK to continue it's adherence to the ECHR as before.

If this is whopper Wednesday, I look forward to falsehood Friday.

Anxioys · 09/08/2023 13:17

They are just tragic. Most Cabinet ministers don't support leaving the ECHR anyway

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