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Can I just say that life as an ugly woman is horrible.

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SundayMorningTeaForOne · 30/07/2023 07:01

I’m going to get very personal, so I’ve name changed for this one.

I hope we can be grown-up about this topic and no one’s going to hit me with the ”everyone’s beautiful in their own way” or claim that I have self-esteem issues.

Anyway, when I was younger boys really wanted to let me know how ugly they found me, so often made comments when I walked by.

When older I was loading some stuff in the car and men walked by and made those truck in reverse beeb-beeb-beeb sounds, you know letting me know I’m fat.

When out, men don’t talk to me, I’m not saying they have to be interested in me - this isin’t even what I mean, they complitely ignore me, talk to everyone else around us/ table, I’m air apperently.

I’m turning 40 next year. Never been on a date, never even been asked out on a date. So if anyone here want to argue my ugliness must be in my head, what more proof do you need.

Getting older has woken me up to the fact that I’m not going to have kids, I don’t have enough money and only family members I have I my prent and the way that they are, they are not going to support me with a child, so I can’t have a child on my own.
I don’t have enough resourses.

I can’t ger over the fact that I’ve went through life and never been loved.
No one’s ever cared about me, no one saw me as someone they’d (at least try) want to share and build a life with.
Always doing everything on my own, how tired I have become, I didn’t even notice it until I felt totally broken.
My cat died almost two years ago, she was the only one I’ve ever said good morning and good night to, now I just say to an empty room.
How sad is that?!

I honestly don’t know what keeps me here, why did I stay here for all these years. To still be alone.
Everyday I get up and go for a walk, no matter the weather, and feel like an idiot for doing that.

And in case someone wants to jump and say I must have depression, I just want to remaind that this is my life, had been always.
I’m just getting it all out. I think anyone would be very extatic if this is how their life had gone.
I had hope when I was younger / was happier, years / decades roled by and it wore me down.
That’s it.

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FadeAwayAndRadiate · 31/07/2023 18:25

@GymShirk

I couldn't give a shit what comments people make about my body. They wouldn't be any worse than when I was fat. If I was vain I wouldn't have posted a photo of myself in a field wearing my scrubs and with my hair looking shit. It's not even that flattering a photo as my arms look chubbier than they are due to the position.

I know I'm in better shape than the majority of UK women (despite what Ilyama the hidden supermodel says lol) and tbh I actually started lifting weights for health reasons and as stress relief, not to look good. Most of my training focuses on performance and with a 145kg deadlift I'm classed in the 'elite' category for women although I don't compete.

The responses say far more about the people leaving them than about me. The accusations that I'm happy to 'settle' for a guy that thinks I'm ugly but wants my body. The insinuation that I'm only after a quick shag and don't value an intellectual match etc.

The truth is that I'm happily engaged, have a good job, and have a very positive outlook on life. I posted a photo without really thinking and that's pretty much the sum of it. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'm surprised that other posters are given that they're all in much better shape than me and so happy with their lot. You'd think they'd go easy on me out of pity lol.

Anyway, I hope the OP finds happiness. I'm off to the gym.

What a nasty rude arrogant post. Especially the bit I have put in italics.

Also... I thought you were going to the gym (at 16.56.) Yet you're still here over an hour later.

You're not going to the gym at all. Wink

And 'elite' my backside! 😆

MMorales · 31/07/2023 18:26

aeon418 · 31/07/2023 18:17

This!

I am average looking. I have been rail thin and overweight. I’ve had a more or less successful marriage for over thirty years and had two children. I went through the same thing around age forty.

I think if a person is at all insightful there comes a time when one realizes, often reluctantly, that the only relationship of stellar value is the one we have with ourselves.

Other relationships are the icing but the relationship we have with ourselves is the cake. I am not saying to love yourself because I absolutely hate that advice. It is trite and doesn’t tell you how.

If I were to tell you how I came to accept and appreciate myself it most likely would have no value to you. There are systems, religious or not. There are affirmations and self confidence classes and online programs or books everywhere.

At the very core of all of these is the acceptance that nobody is going to come and rescue you from yourself. No matter how pretty, thin or rich you are. No matter how the beauty culture, romance and sex industries, not to mention social media, make it look externally.

The journey is inward. Pick a system that appeals to you and come to know and understand yourself.

Happy trails.

Agree

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 18:31

5128gap · 31/07/2023 18:03

No, i dont think there's a link. If attention happens all the time there's no novelty to it and you're not going to have your head turned by just another man's bla bla bla.
I think with men the opposite can be true actually. Men get very little attention compared to women, less attractive ones practically none. They tend to be the ones who get over excited by any interest because they don't want to let a rare opportunity slip by.

I wasn't just talking about men tbf. But thinking about it I agree that it's probs different for each gender.

I'd imagine that women probs switch off to the repeated propositioning whilst more than a few men will be happy to sleep with 250 women.

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 18:32

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 31/07/2023 18:25

@GymShirk

I couldn't give a shit what comments people make about my body. They wouldn't be any worse than when I was fat. If I was vain I wouldn't have posted a photo of myself in a field wearing my scrubs and with my hair looking shit. It's not even that flattering a photo as my arms look chubbier than they are due to the position.

I know I'm in better shape than the majority of UK women (despite what Ilyama the hidden supermodel says lol) and tbh I actually started lifting weights for health reasons and as stress relief, not to look good. Most of my training focuses on performance and with a 145kg deadlift I'm classed in the 'elite' category for women although I don't compete.

The responses say far more about the people leaving them than about me. The accusations that I'm happy to 'settle' for a guy that thinks I'm ugly but wants my body. The insinuation that I'm only after a quick shag and don't value an intellectual match etc.

The truth is that I'm happily engaged, have a good job, and have a very positive outlook on life. I posted a photo without really thinking and that's pretty much the sum of it. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'm surprised that other posters are given that they're all in much better shape than me and so happy with their lot. You'd think they'd go easy on me out of pity lol.

Anyway, I hope the OP finds happiness. I'm off to the gym.

What a nasty rude arrogant post. Especially the bit I have put in italics.

Also... I thought you were going to the gym (at 16.56.) Yet you're still here over an hour later.

You're not going to the gym at all. Wink

And 'elite' my backside! 😆

Whatevs babe. 😘

LilacRain12 · 31/07/2023 18:33

It is true though @FadeAwayAndRadiate

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 31/07/2023 18:33

Still not at the gym then @GymShirk ??? 😂

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 18:38

No, I'm procrastinating and tidying up instead. Will I need to post another photo to prove it when I'm finally there? 😂

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 18:40

And what do you mean by 'elite my arse'? Are you saying you know better than the ExRx Strength Standards?

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 31/07/2023 18:42

😂

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 18:43

@GymShirk can you please start your own thread. Noone is interested in you proving anything here.

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 31/07/2023 18:45

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 18:43

@GymShirk can you please start your own thread. Noone is interested in you proving anything here.

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GymShirk · 31/07/2023 18:49

Just for you two. Wink

I guess you'll accuse me of hacking a female powerlifter's account next.

Elite my arse as you say. 😂 It kind of is tbh. It's pretty juicy.

Can I just say that life as an ugly woman is horrible.
Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 18:53

@GymShirk great for you! I’m sure op is feeling much better now. 👍🏼

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 18:54

Well, you continued it tbf. I'd moved on.

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 18:56

Ok, I'm stopping with this petty stuff. Now let's see if you can do the same.

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 18:57

You do come across as very arrogant. The most unattractive trait of all. And extremely unsympathetic to op, who started this thread. But you can’t see that, you are so full of your own journey and greatness.

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 19:00

wetwing · 31/07/2023 17:21

I'm not pretty either and when I was younger I had acne, loads of horrible blackheads, greasy skin that nothing seemed to help. My hair was frizzy, I have a wide nose that is too big and dark circles under my eyes, I have always struggled with my weight and have noticed that male attention goes up and down depending on my weight.

I had a lot of rejection from men in my youth, I did have boyfriends but often I would be rejected outright or even if the guy went out with me he always let me know that I wasn't pretty, didn't have good enough legs to wear a certain skirt, that I was too fat. I never felt like I was prized and adored and as soon as some better looking girl came along I'd be dropped and sometimes then they would try and come back to me like I was only good as a stop gap. Guys my own age didn't get crushes on me and ask me out only older men seemed to like me probably because they thought I'd be easy pickings.

When I was 19 I had a good male friend at university, I hadn't been thinking about him that way at all really but everyone told me "Gareth really likes you" "Gareth is crazy about you" and I noticed and could see and feel it too, how he'd always be focused on me 100%, how he lit up when we were together and he always wanted to be near me. So one night I asked him how he felt and he told me to my face how he didn't fancy me and said "I like girls that look like that and he pointed across the room at a pretty, petite blonde with silky hair and a tiny nose. He said he did like me better than any girl he'd ever met but not to look at. Anyway I was devastated and our friendship was ruined after that as well as any trust I had in knowing when try and advance a relationship. Funnily enough Gareth didn't have a girlfriend for many years at all and when he did finally get one she looked very much like me, so I think he spent a lot of time holding out for someone out of his league. Often the only men who would pursue me were much older men who probably thought I'd be grateful for the attention but I've never liked much older men and would rather be alone.

I wish I could have been pretty to benefit from the halo effect or projecting all these positive traits onto to pretty people, I think it opens a lot of doors and have seen it happen where the best looking get the chances that others equally talented or even more so get passed over for. I've been guilty of it myself seeing someone beautiful as more special or deeper than they really are. I like looking at pretty girls too, we all do I think.

I do have a husband now and I'm older so even the prettiest girls of my youth have wrinkles, grey hair poking through and saggy bits so its all evens out in the end I guess. I appreciate that being pretty might have drawbacks like I can imagine that if I'd been prettier I might have not met my husband as I wouldn't have been single. I would love to experience what it is like though to be a beautiful girl born to a nice middle class family as opposed to a plain / ugly one born poor.

What an awful thing to say of your ’friend’. It’s so sad that this is what your brain decided to remember.

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 19:01

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 18:57

You do come across as very arrogant. The most unattractive trait of all. And extremely unsympathetic to op, who started this thread. But you can’t see that, you are so full of your own journey and greatness.

I posted with genuine intent to help. Maybe a bit goofy by posting a pic. It's you lot that had to start the sniping and insinuate I looked shit/only want sex/don't care about intellectual stuff, etc.

Could've just posted a lol or raised eyebrow emoji and carried on. It's the intent that matters. My intent was to help, your intent was to criticise and undermine.

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 31/07/2023 19:03

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 18:57

You do come across as very arrogant. The most unattractive trait of all. And extremely unsympathetic to op, who started this thread. But you can’t see that, you are so full of your own journey and greatness.

This in spades ^. @GymShirk just stop FFS. Your pics; the first AND the second one prove nothing. I could post a photo of myself with a stethoscope, wearing a white jacket. Doesn't mean I'm a doctor!

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 19:08

The trap many unhappy people fall into is becoming resentful and wanting to knock down others rather than lifting themselves up. That's the vibe I'm getting from you two tbh.

Usedtolikefood · 31/07/2023 19:08

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 19:00

What an awful thing to say of your ’friend’. It’s so sad that this is what your brain decided to remember.

Seriously? That’s what you took from that post? Have my very first, ‘Are you Gareth?’

Istanbulnotconstantinople72 · 31/07/2023 19:10

Oh my god OP, I'm joining this late but are you actually me? I am the exact same! So much it's actually spooky. The only difference being I can't have a pet because I'm renting. I can't offer advice because I need it myself, but I hope it's some consultation that you're not alone and someone else knows how it feels.

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 31/07/2023 19:11

GymShirk · 31/07/2023 19:08

The trap many unhappy people fall into is becoming resentful and wanting to knock down others rather than lifting themselves up. That's the vibe I'm getting from you two tbh.

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Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 19:16

Usedtolikefood · 31/07/2023 19:08

Seriously? That’s what you took from that post? Have my very first, ‘Are you Gareth?’

No, it is not the only thing @Usedtolikefood . Feel free to write something more meaningful yourself.

I do think it’s sad that our brains often remember mean things that were said to us 20-30-70 years ago. Many people on this and other threads mention this. About what a parent said, and it stuck and had so much impact on your life. If you read again you can see how much the person I commented actually wrote about that friend whose words stuck with her.

Scandipandi · 31/07/2023 19:23

I have a friend who is very short. All he can remember from our 3 years at a school we went to, is that he was told to stand up next to his desk to answer a question. The teacher kept interrupting him and said he couldn’t hear him, and then said to him ’You need to stand up.’ My friend said ’I am..’ and teacher’s reply was ’Could have fooled me. You’re so short we can’t see you.’

I mean it’s not the worst thing, but yeah, I do think it’s terrible what you sometimes remember and it has such an impact.