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Aliens???

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ssd · 26/07/2023 18:17

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Hawkins0001 · 27/07/2023 17:53

wutheringkites · 27/07/2023 14:04

Why?!

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Because anyone tracking your search history or if the name search tags a flag at eg Nsa

Hawkins0001 · 27/07/2023 17:54

NoNonsensePotato · 27/07/2023 15:47

I think it's possible there's life out there but it's also very possible that our evolution was a 'once in a zillion' event caused by perfect conditions.

Possible or we were created by other begins just like how humans can play god

GasPanic · 27/07/2023 18:03

infinityminusone · 27/07/2023 15:58

@GasPanic When you say 'Yet in 70 years of having nuclear weapons we've never fired a nuclear missile at anyone in anger' are you just talking about the UK? Otherwise, I think the residents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima would beg to differ..

Nuclear weapons used in WW2 weren't missiles. They were bombs, and we didn't fire them, we unfortunately made a decision to drop them on a huge static target 78 years ago which is pretty much all our nuclear weapons are good for hitting even now unless you are into James Bond and believe submarines can fire them at each other.

We don't generally have tactical capability with nuclear weapons, although there has been some development of them - mostly abandoned. Maybe some of the ermergent nuclear powers have them. Conclusion is I think it is not a good idea for a number of reasons. I can think of some very good reasons why fitting a nuclear warhead on say an air to air missile is a really bad idea, including what happens to it if it fails to hit its target and who decides when it is to be fired.

WalterWitty · 27/07/2023 19:00

PToosher · 27/07/2023 15:23

I've been interested in this subject for many years. Some comments:

It has been acknowledged by the US military, and others, that some of these UFOs appear to be structured craft due to their performance and observation by pilots etc. So using the word 'unidentified' for these objects doesn't mean 'could be anything'. In the 90s a top level French investigation into the matter concluded that Extra Terrestrial was the most likely origin of these craft.

These craft do not have any wings or other aerodynamic surfaces but can stop instantly, accelerate to extreme speeds instantly and can make 90 degree turns at high speed.

The performance exhibited is decades (at least) ahead of our science and technology. It has been so for at least 75 years. So, it's not the Russians or Chinese that have made a little breakthrough recently.

'They' are very interested in nuclear power and weapons, hence the disproportionate number of sightings around nuclear facilities. As a side note, Roswell was the base at which the nuclear armed Enola Gay was stationed.

David Grusch has first hand knowledge that there are projects relating to the investigation of this technology and has seen documents relating to this. He is not reporting purely hearsay. He was subject to retaliation actions when he attempted to bring to light these illegally funded projects and the Inspector General for Intelligence regards his testimony as compelling.

Grusch refers to the beings responsible for this technology as a Non-Human Intelligence. He does not use the word 'aliens'. He says that at least some of them are from 'higher dimensions'. If this is the case then the arguments about how long it would take aliens to traverse space are irrelevant. It would mean that our understanding of reality is extremely limited.

The alleged retrieved craft are not all crashes, some may have been 'shot down', some apparently abandoned or recovered from remote places on Earth where they have been parked in the past.

From a personal perspective, once you get to the stage of acknowledging that there are structured craft operating within our atmosphere that are way way beyond known current human science and technology the most likely source of these craft is from a Non-Human Intelligence.

👏👏 @PToosher strikingly thought provoking post thank you

Sunnydays41 · 27/07/2023 19:00

wutheringkites · 27/07/2023 13:33

@Appleofmyeye2023

I think you're still missing the fundamental point that posters are making to you. There are most likely a great deal of unknown unknowns in the universe.

Arguing that humans already have a strong enough understanding of the universe to dismiss alien activity because it doesn't fit with our knowledge, resources or motivations is odd to say the least.

It feels unlikely to me that we have a complete understanding of all the chemical elements in the universe, who knows what other elements exists and what potential they could have?

I personally don't believe that aliens are visiting us, mainly due to the points @Dotjones made earlier.

Yes, this. @Appleofmyeye2023 is assuming that any aliens have the same thought processes, desires and motivation as humans. You're assuming they have the same self-preservation mechanisms as life on earth.

arghtriffid · 27/07/2023 19:08

*Because anyone tracking your search history or if the name search tags a flag at eg NASA

Exactly. I was on a reddit thread which had a link which I just went through to another whistleblower giving very detailed explanations of various craft found over their career. I came off incase I may be tracked lol

Appleofmyeye2023 · 27/07/2023 19:28

Sunnydays41 · 27/07/2023 19:00

Yes, this. @Appleofmyeye2023 is assuming that any aliens have the same thought processes, desires and motivation as humans. You're assuming they have the same self-preservation mechanisms as life on earth.

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Ok, it’s really not a big assumption

any life form is about passing on genetic material to next generation through reproduction. With that comes a need to firstly survive.

all the civilisation, culture, communication etc that would be needed to develop scientific discovery and engineering to warp through worm holes ( or whatever your theory is) only takes precedent once those basic needs can be net

this isn’t a leap or assumption of thinking. The universe can only be made from atoms - we know pretty much all the basic ones , they’re not up for conjecture from your vivid imagination- yep heavy elements still to be found but they’re not being found by us because their too stable . For life you need some reactive chemicals capable of long chain structure- that whittles it down to stuff that the universe is full off : carbon, silicon, nitrogen, sulphur, hydrogen, oxygen etc . Or are you in a world of pseudo science thinking elements can pop out of no where making bonds in ways electrons don’t on earth or our solar system, or our galaxy?

the very way life has to evolve means the basic premise of organisms remains. To reproduce and survive

the most likely common alien out there on the eco planets are single celled, maybe a few bacteria or virus like structures. Well yep, I’m theory they’d get through those teeny tiny worm holes Einstein postulated I suppose .

but hey Ho, if you want to imagine they’re all more like elves or fairies off you go

Clarich007 · 27/07/2023 19:30

If there are trillions of planets out there, why would aliens travel to our little backwater.
I love the idea and find it fascinating, and enjoy astronomy, so much so that I joined a club and we used to have lectures, and star spotting sessione under dark skies. I bought a telescope and the close up view of the moon and planets, especially Saturn, is just incredible,mind blowing. We had a lecture one week from a top University professor, and he trashed the idea of visitors from other worlds.
He reckons the reason we are here is merely that we happen to be exactly the right distance from the Sun in creating ideal conditions for life.
Another reason he said was because if they were able to travel hundreds or thousands of light years to visit us, they would be so advanced that evolutionarily we would never meet!!. I can't quite get my head round that explanation. We once lay on a wall at midnight and watched the International Space Station pass over. Iwas a bit obsessed for a while 😍

Clarich007 · 27/07/2023 19:32

I still find it disappointing when they report that water has been found on Mars... Is that all I usually think

Peverellshire · 27/07/2023 19:40

Clarich007 · 27/07/2023 19:30

If there are trillions of planets out there, why would aliens travel to our little backwater.
I love the idea and find it fascinating, and enjoy astronomy, so much so that I joined a club and we used to have lectures, and star spotting sessione under dark skies. I bought a telescope and the close up view of the moon and planets, especially Saturn, is just incredible,mind blowing. We had a lecture one week from a top University professor, and he trashed the idea of visitors from other worlds.
He reckons the reason we are here is merely that we happen to be exactly the right distance from the Sun in creating ideal conditions for life.
Another reason he said was because if they were able to travel hundreds or thousands of light years to visit us, they would be so advanced that evolutionarily we would never meet!!. I can't quite get my head round that explanation. We once lay on a wall at midnight and watched the International Space Station pass over. Iwas a bit obsessed for a while 😍

Our planet is beautiful, ‘most’ are barren?

Peverellshire · 27/07/2023 19:44

Why doesn’t the Fermi Paradox account for the simulation argument?

Livinginanotherworld · 27/07/2023 19:51

arghtriffid · 27/07/2023 14:05

Why not just explain briefly first?

I wouldn’t know where to start, but there is a YouTube interview which is very interesting. It’s a place just outside Cardiff I think.

wutheringkites · 27/07/2023 19:59

arghtriffid · 27/07/2023 19:08

*Because anyone tracking your search history or if the name search tags a flag at eg NASA

Exactly. I was on a reddit thread which had a link which I just went through to another whistleblower giving very detailed explanations of various craft found over their career. I came off incase I may be tracked lol

If you think that Googling the name of a Welsh town (the poster simply said Google Pentyrch) will mean you wind up on a list somewhere then you should probably seek help for your paranoia. 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

GasPanic · 27/07/2023 20:06

Appleofmyeye2023 · 27/07/2023 19:28

Ok, it’s really not a big assumption

any life form is about passing on genetic material to next generation through reproduction. With that comes a need to firstly survive.

all the civilisation, culture, communication etc that would be needed to develop scientific discovery and engineering to warp through worm holes ( or whatever your theory is) only takes precedent once those basic needs can be net

this isn’t a leap or assumption of thinking. The universe can only be made from atoms - we know pretty much all the basic ones , they’re not up for conjecture from your vivid imagination- yep heavy elements still to be found but they’re not being found by us because their too stable . For life you need some reactive chemicals capable of long chain structure- that whittles it down to stuff that the universe is full off : carbon, silicon, nitrogen, sulphur, hydrogen, oxygen etc . Or are you in a world of pseudo science thinking elements can pop out of no where making bonds in ways electrons don’t on earth or our solar system, or our galaxy?

the very way life has to evolve means the basic premise of organisms remains. To reproduce and survive

the most likely common alien out there on the eco planets are single celled, maybe a few bacteria or virus like structures. Well yep, I’m theory they’d get through those teeny tiny worm holes Einstein postulated I suppose .

but hey Ho, if you want to imagine they’re all more like elves or fairies off you go

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"any life form is about passing on genetic material to next generation through reproduction. With that comes a need to firstly survive."

Humans sacrifice themselves for ideas, causes and concepts. They aren't just about survival or passing on their DNA. Many animals will sacrifice themselves as individuals for the collective. For example bees.

There's no reason aliens should be the same. There's no reason they should be different.

arghtriffid · 27/07/2023 20:07

@wutheringkites

Please stop pestering me! 😀

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 27/07/2023 20:08

Hawkins0001 · 27/07/2023 17:53

Because anyone tracking your search history or if the name search tags a flag at eg Nsa

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It actually annoys me that you get a vote.

Honestly.

arghtriffid · 27/07/2023 20:12

I think people are lacking a sense of humour on this thread...

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 27/07/2023 20:12

And some brain cells.

Oddsockday · 27/07/2023 20:18

@Hungrycaterpillarsmummy why are you so angry?

wutheringkites · 27/07/2023 20:18

any life form is about passing on genetic material to next generation through reproduction. With that comes a need to firstly survive.

all the civilisation, culture, communication etc that would be needed to develop scientific discovery and engineering to warp through worm holes ( or whatever your theory is) only takes precedent once those basic needs can be net

People take risks that could/ do result in death all the time, notably in the name of exploration. Humans do not always put their own survival above other drivers.

If Humans put survival first then why would anyone become an astronaut? What's the point? It's risky and doesn't meet any of our basic needs.

At a species level, sure, survival is paramount but I doubt an entire species would travel across the universe at once.

Hawkins0001 · 27/07/2023 20:18

Oddsockday · 27/07/2023 20:18

@Hungrycaterpillarsmummy why are you so angry?

Exactly, it's not like I'm wrong.

Hawkins0001 · 27/07/2023 20:19

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 27/07/2023 20:12

And some brain cells.

Everything I've discussed is open source intelligence, and not top secret.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 27/07/2023 20:25

Oddsockday · 27/07/2023 20:18

@Hungrycaterpillarsmummy why are you so angry?

I'm not angry :)