Aliens???

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What fucking next

But do you think if there was an ability for people in the present day to travel in the past and say visit the Roman, Eygptian, Aztec civilizations or say see the dinosaurs there aren't any people that would find that interesting or want to do it ?

I would - I literally fantasise about that. Not just the very far past either but things like being able to go back San Franscisco in the sixties.
Definitely Rome during its heyday as first choice of destination though.

https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

This is a really interesting blog post exploring all the possible reasons for the Fermi paradox (the question that considering there is such a high probability of other life, why haven't we heard from them?).

Though written in 2014 so obviously before other things have come to light.

I think it would be brilliant to do. Maybe the reality of living it might be less fun though.

I mean we spend billions of hours of effort on this planet just watching people kick balls around or race round tracks in circles. Not quite sure what aliens would make of all that.

The higher civilisations get, the less time they spend surviving, the more time they spend doing stuff to entertain themselves.

Aliens are aliens and have alien motivations. I think you can come up with hundreds of ideas as to why they might want to be here other than they want to eat us or scare us.

But it's hard to know what their actual motivations (if they are here) would be.

@GasPanic they'd most likely to put together so differently from us that it would be impossible to comprehend their thoughts and motivations. They may not be carbon-based - hell maybe some aren't actually even solid - conscious individual gas clouds?

Not if I thought that Roman ps or aztecs would be a bit tetchy and launch nuclear attack on me

I think if they’re that advanced they can fly through a wormhole that is (if Einstein’s maths proves right) both unstable and likely to be so small we’re talking crafts the size of a pin head being needed to make it through, then they’ll have long since figured out realistic holographic documentaries or theme parks aka David attenburgh

I’ll buy that there’s an extremely low probability that salient life forms send unmanned craft, but not that aliens are out for exploration earth zoo visits. Too risky. It’s not just what humans will do, it’s diseases that they’re not immune to, what if there’s tech failure, needing exactly the right conditions like pressure, etc .

Theres a reason why the recent submarine disaster happened- arrogant people thinking they can outwit science and gloss over risks, sensible people send unmanned subs to really spend time at great depths and difficult environments to explore the alien world of deep sea. This is the way to collect good data . You’ve no limitations on time other than power (no air supply needed), it’s an expensive but not fatal issue if there’s a malfunction and it is destroyed. I’m sure these super salient and advanced civilisation that have this capacity would have learnt about risk assessment centuries before otherwise…well they’d not have become that advanced 🤣🤣🤷🏼‍♀️

@Appleofmyeye2023

I think you're still missing the fundamental point that posters are making to you. There are most likely a great deal of unknown unknowns in the universe.

Arguing that humans already have a strong enough understanding of the universe to dismiss alien activity because it doesn't fit with our knowledge, resources or motivations is odd to say the least.

It feels unlikely to me that we have a complete understanding of all the chemical elements in the universe, who knows what other elements exists and what potential they could have?

I personally don't believe that aliens are visiting us, mainly due to the points @Dotjones made earlier.

@mauveiscurious

Where in the UK?

The Midlands. It was a similar time to the Rendlesham sightings in Suffolk. There were many sightings.

We were also close to a large airbase.

Google Pentyrch

Is it because of the AI technology so it is multidimentional and only US have this technology?

Can you give a brief outline as I don't want to google.

Why?!

Why not just explain briefly first?

In the book Above Top Secret it describes meetings in the 1960s with world leaders and ETs. An agreement was made concerning Nuclear energy.
If we have gone back on our agreements then the motive would be to stop mankind doing further damage.

Many sightings around Nuclear plants worldwide. Of course they have been monitoring us.

Because I'm not your personal assistant.

Lol

“It’s completely naive to think that ours is the only planet with intelligent life.”

Who says ours does? 🤓

There is a possibility that the US has AGI and has technology creating these UAPs and does not want China, Russia etc to find out and this has been leaked as a smokescreen.

I've been interested in this subject for many years. Some comments:

It has been acknowledged by the US military, and others, that some of these UFOs appear to be structured craft due to their performance and observation by pilots etc. So using the word 'unidentified' for these objects doesn't mean 'could be anything'. In the 90s a top level French investigation into the matter concluded that Extra Terrestrial was the most likely origin of these craft.

These craft do not have any wings or other aerodynamic surfaces but can stop instantly, accelerate to extreme speeds instantly and can make 90 degree turns at high speed.

The performance exhibited is decades (at least) ahead of our science and technology. It has been so for at least 75 years. So, it's not the Russians or Chinese that have made a little breakthrough recently.

'They' are very interested in nuclear power and weapons, hence the disproportionate number of sightings around nuclear facilities. As a side note, Roswell was the base at which the nuclear armed Enola Gay was stationed.

David Grusch has first hand knowledge that there are projects relating to the investigation of this technology and has seen documents relating to this. He is not reporting purely hearsay. He was subject to retaliation actions when he attempted to bring to light these illegally funded projects and the Inspector General for Intelligence regards his testimony as compelling.

Grusch refers to the beings responsible for this technology as a Non-Human Intelligence. He does not use the word 'aliens'. He says that at least some of them are from 'higher dimensions'. If this is the case then the arguments about how long it would take aliens to traverse space are irrelevant. It would mean that our understanding of reality is extremely limited.

The alleged retrieved craft are not all crashes, some may have been 'shot down', some apparently abandoned or recovered from remote places on Earth where they have been parked in the past.

From a personal perspective, once you get to the stage of acknowledging that there are structured craft operating within our atmosphere that are way way beyond known current human science and technology the most likely source of these craft is from a Non-Human Intelligence.

Yet in 70 years of having nuclear weapons we've never fired a nuclear missile at anyone in anger, much less an alien, and don't have anything remotely capable of engaging air targets that exhibit the behaviour that the tic tac did with a nuclear warhead. We probably couldn't even shoot one of our own jets down with a nuclear missile. All we'd end up doing is making a mess somewhere miles away.

I suspect NASA has done a fair bit of risk assessment on sending people back to the moon. I don't think anyone would call them arrogant or insensible.

I don't believe aliens would visit here for fun, although it is a possibility. Far more likely it's due to the fact they want real time information, or have some need to engage with us or some other aliens (if there is one group there is probably more) in person.

As for the supposed crashes and bodies, I don't think not believing in some of the ideas invalidates them all. The crashes of advanced technology might seem mysterious at first, but it depends why they crashed. Some of the crashes may be accidental. Some of them may be due to us. Some of them may be due to other alien groups engaging them. Maybe it's all a load of rubbish.

I have no idea what premium aliens might put on life. In general here we assume that they would value life like us quite highly, but that isn't necessarily so, they may not care so much about risk for a variety of reasons. That's one of the problem with thinking about aliens in human terms.

I think it's possible there's life out there but it's also very possible that our evolution was a 'once in a zillion' event caused by perfect conditions.

@GasPanic When you say 'Yet in 70 years of having nuclear weapons we've never fired a nuclear missile at anyone in anger' are you just talking about the UK? Otherwise, I think the residents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima would beg to differ..

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. As a side note, Roswell was the base at which the nuclear armed Enola Gay was stationed.

True, though for completeness, it was only there briefly WW2...and if there's thoughts of a connection between Aliens, the A-bomb and specifically the Hiroshima raid then it's worth being aware that the aircraft only received the completed weapon (i.e. was only "nuclear armed") once it got to Tinian....

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This would make sense. To me anyway.
We live in a universe where we’re more connected than humans can imagine.
If human activity is threatening the health of the planet, which may have an effect on our surroundings, groups of others set to be affected might have something to say about it.

There are so many accounts of UFO activity around nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons, by people who stand to lose a lot of credibility by speaking out.

Years ago I read a book by Sidney Sheldon called the doomsday conspiracy. At the back of the book there’s a very long list of ufo experts who met untimely deaths. It was published over 30 years ago. There are many more odd deaths that could be added to the list now.

I watched a review of the current hearing, and the consensus is that Grusch needs to be careful how evidence is presented because he’s paving the way for more whistleblowers to come forward. There’s also a view that we’re not working to our own timeline, but because we’ve broken an agreement (as above post) this is now out of our hands, and there’ll be a steady drip feed of information over the coming few months/years.

Whatever’s going on it’s an incredible time to be alive!