Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?

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DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

Ok. Let’s assume that warming is
a) caused by humans, and
b) bad.

So policies are made to restrict our lifestyles and reduce our numbers.

I’m amazed that the majority of people want this.

This is Mums Net. You have kids. You want policies that make your kids lives harder. To make it less likely that they can have children of their own. To make it more likely that resource constrained societies will go to war. Why is this ok for you? Your kids will have to live through it, if they can.

I don't get how you can understand that reduced solar activity can impact climate but not understand that increasing the ability of the Earth's atmosphere to trap solar radiation will do the same.

Also, geologically speaking, the Earth is warming not cooling as it entered an interglacial period around 12,000 years ago which would normally be expected to last several thousand - several hundred of thousands of years.

I say normally because it's not clear how human activity will impact this cycle.....just like it is impacting climate!

Yes in the UK.

East Midlands.

We don't need to assume a or b. It is the scientific consensus and is as close to fact as you're likely to get.

But regardless, you do realise all the things you're concerned about will be result from the lack of action to address climate change and not becuase of action to tackle it, right?

The availability of resources including land, food, and water will be reduced significantly if we do not change our ways.

How do you think you and your children will cope when as many as 3bn people are displaced by climate related events and extreme weather and are looking for a new place to live?

How will they cope when 1 in 4 people will be living in areas of extremely high water stress, as is predicted to be the case by 2040? And this won't just be some far off places, England specifically is looking down the barrel of a gun with that one, with 12/17 regions expected to face extreme water stress by 2040.

What will they do when global food systems start to collapse? Almost 40% of all calories consumed by humans come from 3 crops (wheat, corn, and rice) and for 2 of them (corn and rice) yields are either predicted to reduce or already are (24% for corn by 2050 and 10% for every 1°C increase in temperature for rice).

If you actually cared about your kids future you would be demanding action now not arguing for the status quo because you think change is hard.

I also think it's a bit disingenuous to say talk about making our kids lives harder when the country has kept the tories in power for the last 13 years, but that's another matter.

The Tories have certainly made everyone poorer by increasing Govt and regulation.
Possibly labour would have been more restrained had they been in power.

But you are arguing for more of it anyway. Life isn’t easy in big Govt countries you know.

Err so your plan is to prevent those people from existing? That’s extreme.

But hadn’t you realised that the people at the top view you in the same way?

If you want to compare measurements you must be sure that you are measuring the same thing. Otherwise it’s a waste of time (at best).

https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Copernicus/Sentinel-3/Europe_braces_for_sweltering_July

Since I read it a disclaimer has been added, so make of that what you will. The “hot take” pre update has already been splashed out and we’re onto wildfires and record temperatures in Sardinia but I wonder what one would find if they had the time to scratch the surface of those stories?

Thats quite a conclusion to jump to, where exactly have I said anything about preventing people from existing exactly?

The tories have made everyone poorer by failing to govern in the best interest of the country. I'm also not sure they've increased government or regulation tbh.

But as I said that's another issue. Climate change and climate action are global issues that require global coordination and cooperation. Regulation is part of that, especially as businesses who are responsible for most emissions, have repeatedly shown they are unable or unwilling to regulated themselves.

The impact this will have on the average person's life in the UK may or may not be noticeable but, and again I'm moving away from the topic of the thread, the average person in the UK (and the developed world in general) leads an unsustainable life and will need to change one way or another. Even if we didn't have a climate crisis to contend with rising living standards in the developing world means our days of overconsumption were limited.

We can manage that change and make it a fairer and more equitable transition, we can manage it and make things even more unequal, or we can ignore it and hope we're dead before the shit really hits the fan.

I know what I'd prefer.

I don't know who is right or wrong, but it could do with warming up in the UK at the moment.

I don't see world leaders/climate evangelists changing their behaviours - so frankly, I think it's all bollocks.

Look at covid as an example. Not reporting on the excess deaths are they? Something they knew was no deadly that the flu from the beginning - and wrote notes on how they were going to scare us into compliance.

Corrupt government and media. This is the same thing - and is why they changed it from 'Global warming' (because we are freezing in summer) to 'climate change'.

If you believe this stuff you are a fool.

What are you doing about CC and what do you want him to do about it?

Although until China and India get onboard we're pissing in the wind anyway

Appreciate the depth of your response, thank you.

On global co-operation. Yes, I see that from where you are coming from that might seem like the least bad option.

The trouble is the potential for abuse. Historically refugees have somewhere to go. Supposing Idi Amin or Pol Pot had had global reach, what then? Where do you go? Country leaderships always keep an eye on people leaving, if only to preserve the tax and labour base. Without that’s discipline they can do what they like. Global co-operation removes that discipline. Absolute power etc.

The last three winters are the coldest I've known in my (long) lifetime.

I just spilled my coffee 😂😂😂
I've been in the UK for about 15 years, even my first winter here was colder than the last 3!

If anyone is reading this and genuinely is concerned about how to talk to their "denier/denialist" loved ones about climate change...

...please take some time to consider your strategy. Shouting about how 97% of experts agree that it's humans' fault is not going to be effective. Shouting about how they're a "denialist" is not going to be effective. Shouting about ever-more hysterical end-of-days scenarios is not going to be effective.

Please try to understand the actual point of disagreement first (how many people got called "COVID denialists" as if they didn't believe COVID existed, when they simply disputed our policy on, say, when to reopen schools?)

Please try to understand what they are concerned about as well (if they are very concerned about imminent war with Russia, they probably aren't keen on solutions that involve us weakening our energy security position). Listen to them and why they are worried we're not accounting for that issue

Please try to talk in terms of "going forward, what's the plan?" rather than "whose fault is it?". How do you think international/UK/local/your own household actions should be different? It's much more productive than sitting around blaming each other and much less likely to go in circles.

Yes! I didn't bother going back and challenging once they said East Midlands and "long" life.

And also "mother nature knows best" in the same post as:

"The mature trees are now putting themselves into dormancy in spring to protect themselves and start coming into leaf around a month later than usual"

What complete rubbish.

I'm a scientist with years of research experience. I currently work with some very prominent scientists. I understand what science is all about, thank you! Seeing very senior scientists debate each other's work pretty robustly is very interesting and can be quite entertaining.

Of course there is questioning and debate, that's a big part of it. But it's only valid if it's informed debate and based on actual scientific findings, or predictions based on those findings which are presented as such.

What isn't valid is someone with no scientific knowledge trying to say that an expert in the field is wrong, because they've seen an alternative explanation made up by someone who has no idea what they're talking about, and they prefer to believe that alternative.

Why would you deliberately misquote me?

What I said was "Nature always knows".

How do daffodils know which time of year to flower? Or trees to drop their leaves? Or birds to start nesting? Or hedgehogs start building their nests ready for hibernation?

The answer is, nature always knows.

You sound an awful lot like a Nature Denier to me.

I think most of us can figure out who the fool is here!

Every thread of this nature attracts the conspiracy theorists. It’s just so supremely pointless.

And the gaslighters. What price civilised discussion? Has that been cancelled too?

How can anyone with a moral compass on nuclear power, climate change, human rights or road safety suggest that driving a silent, 2-ton EV (0-60 in 3 seconds!) made in China (yes China) and charged with electricity generated 70-80% by fossil fuels and nuclear power can slow down climate change?
China has produced as much CO2 in the last eight years as the UK has since the start of the Industrial Revolution. And the virtue signalling Green Halo Brigade want to accelerate this trend?
Another insane policy to rival Lockdown and QE made by and for the benefit of those with big back gardens.

From

What price civilised discussion? Has that been cancelled too?

to

the virtue signalling Green Halo Brigade

in the space of two, interrupted posts by the same poster.

Always the same, people on one side demanding niceness while flinging around insults.

There is no international consensus on how to best address climate change. Period.

Whatever your stance, this is indefensible

Sunak's family firm Infosys signed a deal worth $1.5billion with BP two months ago. Of course Sunak is going to downplay the action needed to tackle the climate crisis.