Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?

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DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

Wow. Well you have no respect for him that's clear. Crack on.

@ToDoLists yes this is exactly it, he send my Jordan Peterson clips, I’m like I don’t care!! He 100% disagrees in principle with everything Andrew Tate stands for, but he would go down the road of saying he’s being misrepresented in the MSM and they are hypocrites by naming him and not hew edwards (before he was named). I get drawn into ridiculous conversations and have to look stuff up as I start questioning myself. The climate change stuff is new and he knows I feel strongly about it so it’s really tough.

He really is a good man and but I think maybe men feel they have lost their place in the world a little. I need to read that book ‘what about men’ by Caitlyn Moran as I think a lot of it is backlash against the women’s rights movement, me too etc. I just hate feeling like we’re taking sides.

wishing you the best and truly you’re not on your own (many on MN seem to agree with our DH’s!!)

would see my life as not having to listen to idiotic YouTubers spout bullshit at 2am on my husband's laptop while I try to sleep or listening to him talk about the 'woke brigade' and the 'liberal elites' - such cliched nonsence that i find it hard to respect him

Seems to me it’s less about the precise details of which you each believe about climate change and more about his conspiracy-driven mode of thought and lack of discernment about sources and evidence. Maybe also he’s not as clever as you?

I don't think Caitlin Moran's book is one that'll give you many answers!

@ToDoLists the idea that he keeps you awake at night because he's watching YouTube crap on his laptop is reason enough to have a hard talk with him, tbh! Can't he do it out of bed??

"He really is a good man and but I think maybe men feel they have lost their place in the world a little."

"When you're used to dominance, equality can look like oppression."

Exactly.
Poor men 🙄

Your victim-dependency complex is showing badly.

Where is this place in the UK, or Western Europe even, that men currently alive and fathering children are used to dominance over women and are having to ‘get used to equality’ ?

Men have not dominated women in society as a whole for a very long time.

Are you due to be burnt at the stake in your own little world?

I suspect @Ishallgototheball has a pair of balls himself.

Q: When does the 'climate emergency' end? A: The moment you turn off your television and stop reading the papers.

That doesn't mean there isn't appalling pollution caused by greed & carelessness. Installing, for example, tens of thousands of wind turbines that kill birds en masse, and disorientate whales leading them to ground themselves on beaches, is hardly 'environmentally conscious', never mind the fact that these machines can only be disposed of as landfill. I could go on.

It's a scam and a lie. The earth's climate has always been in a state of flux. The entire planet was once a tropical paradise. At other times, covered in ice. The ice-caps at the North & South Poles are the residue of the last Ice Age. If they melt, the sea will undoubtedly rise, but human misbehaviour will have very little or nothing to do with it.

Much appreciated for your perspective on the climate change information.

As for the second question I'm not qualified to offer my perspective, a historian that's fully educated on both sides of that perspective would be a better qualified expert.

How do you realistically see your life if you break up with him (over this non issue) ? Do you think that your perfect political and romantic match will just show up and want to care for another mans children? Or will you be happier on your own?

The bar is set so depressingly low on this thread. There are plenty of intelligent men out there who are able to recognise logic and don't favour YouTube conspiracy theorists over scientific evidence. But personally I would rather be on my own than live with a man I did not respect, a man who uses phrases like "woke brigade" and "Liberal elite" with no trace of irony..perhaps OP feels the same.

It’s very well established the climate denialism is largely pushed by the fossil fuel industry and, internationally, the politicians that are funded by them.

This is most apparent in the US (the country where climate change denialism is most common) where the Republican Party receive hefty donations from the fossil fuel industry and, in return, promote its interests.

For all the talk of the agendas of ‘the woke brigade’ or ‘liberal elites’, it shouldn’t be that hard to spot the agenda of those who dismiss climate change.

Respect is something that has to be earned. He's not entitled to her respect, and those who hold extreme views and assert their right to express those views need to accept the risk that some people will lose respect for them as a result.

Does he hold extreme views?

So much this! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

But those changes don't happen randomly. Actual causes are not exactly known but it's accepted that higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere had a major role to play in the end and start of various ice ages / glacial periods. The massive increase of CO2 in the atmosphere since industrialisation began has now led to global warming. It's really not that hard to grasp.

And even if there was no significant impact on the climate - the impact on human health is huge. On that basis alone, we should work to reduce pollution.

That's just what I said in an earlier post. However, in this modern age apparently couples can't have opposing views, it simply can't be tolerated, everthing is so black or white with no shades in-between.

That's it @Threenow she is ready to Chuck away a whole family because his views don't align with her middle class friends and make her look good. This amazes me. She doesn't even want to investigate and see if he is right. All these beliefs seem very performative to me. It's about fitting into your friendship group.

I don't need everyone I care about to agree with my every political view. Just to be decent human beings. Because I am an adult.

By the same token which industrys would profit from having people believe in climate change and is there angle $$ etc.

Exactly, well said. People need to be careful where they source their information from because the propaganda is astonishing, and largely from oil and agricultural industries. I don't know why some people on here think there's more profit to be made from denying climate change. I think deep down many people know they're not doing all they can do justify their own buried guilt by searching out any info to minimise or deny the problem, just to feel better... Unfortunately people won't hear what they don't want to hear.

But then the reverse is also a possibility that encouraging climate change could then reap more $$

You mean that you think people might be peddling a myth of climate change in order to profit from it?

The issue there is, of course, that the evidence of man made climate change is overwhelming. There isn’t even a debate about it in the scientific community any more, it’s established fact.

I am sure that there are many, many companies that see it as an opportunity to make profit from emerging green technologies but, unless you believe that all the world’s scientists are dishonest, and have all been significantly financially incentivized to publish fake research for many many years, it isn’t really comparable.

Exactly. It blows my mind that some people still deny it's happening. I guess they think the world is flat too. "If the melt"?? They're melting alright and yes, in this case humans have a lot to do with it!! The science is plain and unequivocal, unless you root out false information from propaganda sources