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Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?

616 replies

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 16:17

DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

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Olderandolder · 29/07/2023 17:51

Indigotree · 29/07/2023 17:46

Yes. There's a lot of research into the psychology and psychoanalytical theory if climate change denial. It's fascinating though very depressing also.

Without any information.

If the proposed answer is a wealth transfer from the majority to a few, don’t do it.

If the proposed answer will make most people poorer and some unable to eat, don’t do it.

Having secure food and shelter for an entire population is neither natural nor normal throughout history. Doing anything to put that at risk is wrong.

Pupinski · 29/07/2023 20:08

I couldn't live with anybody who used the word "woke".

Moonsun88 · 29/07/2023 20:17

TRexTara · 29/07/2023 00:49

Also when you kick your husband out, any chance you could give him my details? Because he sounds quite interesting.

Haha I am someone but I agree! There are so many dishonest, abusive, selfish men, and not to forget constant cheaters out there that for me someone who holds a view like this is something I can handle and find interesting as he has his own view.

neverbeenskiing · 29/07/2023 20:25

Moonsun88 · 29/07/2023 20:17

Haha I am someone but I agree! There are so many dishonest, abusive, selfish men, and not to forget constant cheaters out there that for me someone who holds a view like this is something I can handle and find interesting as he has his own view.

Such depressingly low standards.

"Yeah, he thinks that the earth is flat and that vaccines cause Autism but he doesn't beat me or fuck other women so he's a keeper!"

I despair.

Outliers · 29/07/2023 22:38

Goldenbear · 29/07/2023 14:48

Yes because, the UK having a wetter than average July equates to no climate change, such an insight, never thought of this.

But if its hotter than usual the planet is about to burst into flames right? Lol

SingingNettles · 29/07/2023 22:48

Didn’t the UK just have it’s hottest June on record??

EmilyBrontesGhost · 29/07/2023 23:32

SingingNettles · 29/07/2023 22:48

Didn’t the UK just have it’s hottest June on record??

Nope.

I lived through the summer of 1976. I was involved in a car accident and dislocated my spine, so (after a stint in hospital on traction) I had to wear a surgical collar for six months through the sweltering heat. It was torture and I will never forget it.

There were blanket hosepipe bans and standpipes and water tankers delivering water to those cut off.

It's the WEATHER. It happens, it doesn't mean the planet is boiling over LOL.

EmilyBrontesGhost · 29/07/2023 23:40

neverbeenskiing · 29/07/2023 20:25

Such depressingly low standards.

"Yeah, he thinks that the earth is flat and that vaccines cause Autism but he doesn't beat me or fuck other women so he's a keeper!"

I despair.

Except the OP hasn't said her husband thinks the earth is flat or that vaccines cause autism.

So why would you make that up?

Indigotree · 29/07/2023 23:52

EmilyBrontesGhost · 29/07/2023 23:40

Except the OP hasn't said her husband thinks the earth is flat or that vaccines cause autism.

So why would you make that up?

They're similar views, though the consequences of believing them aren't so devastating.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 29/07/2023 23:54

They're similar views, though the consequences of believing them aren't so devastating.

Consequences for unvaccinated children and those around them can be pretty damn devastating.

And thinking climate change is not that bad is the same as believing the Earth is flat and that vaccines cause autism? Really?

EmilyBrontesGhost · 29/07/2023 23:55

Indigotree · 29/07/2023 23:52

They're similar views, though the consequences of believing them aren't so devastating.

Of course they're not similar views.

Don't be ridiculous.

SingingNettles · 30/07/2023 00:19

EmilyBrontesGhost · 29/07/2023 23:32

Nope.

I lived through the summer of 1976. I was involved in a car accident and dislocated my spine, so (after a stint in hospital on traction) I had to wear a surgical collar for six months through the sweltering heat. It was torture and I will never forget it.

There were blanket hosepipe bans and standpipes and water tankers delivering water to those cut off.

It's the WEATHER. It happens, it doesn't mean the planet is boiling over LOL.

June 2023 was the hottest on record, a degree hotter than 1976.

FictionalCharacter · 30/07/2023 00:26

I couldn't, because I couldn't be with any kind of science denier. It isn't a matter of belief or opinion.

Olderandolder · 30/07/2023 00:45

FictionalCharacter · 30/07/2023 00:26

I couldn't, because I couldn't be with any kind of science denier. It isn't a matter of belief or opinion.

You don’t understand that science is all about questioning. When debate isn’t allowed, that isn’t science.

Typically CC deniers are simply saying that communism is not the solution to any problem.

Hawkins0001 · 30/07/2023 00:52

FictionalCharacter · 30/07/2023 00:26

I couldn't, because I couldn't be with any kind of science denier. It isn't a matter of belief or opinion.

As a scientist will usually say they are always evolving their theories overtime as we learn more, so yesterday's perspective of the earth was the centre of the universe, is now today's the sun is the center, (yes majority did believe the earth was at the center, hence the controversial perspective of Galileo.

SingingNettles · 30/07/2023 01:10

Hawkins0001 · 30/07/2023 00:52

As a scientist will usually say they are always evolving their theories overtime as we learn more, so yesterday's perspective of the earth was the centre of the universe, is now today's the sun is the center, (yes majority did believe the earth was at the center, hence the controversial perspective of Galileo.

It is true that there are no certainties in science. There are theories and the evidence that supports them - however, when the evidence is overwhelming, so is the probability that the theory is correct.

And the evidence for climate change is so overwhelming that there is no longer a debate among climate scientists.

Some people just have difficulty accepting science that they don’t like. They’re usually woefully inconsistent about it though. For example, we’ve had several posters suggest that the Medieval Warm Period is evidence against climate change. They will very happily accept the science that has been able to ascertain the likely global temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period, but the second the science become incompatible with their personal beliefs, they throw it out the window.

Hawkins0001 · 30/07/2023 01:14

SingingNettles · 30/07/2023 01:10

It is true that there are no certainties in science. There are theories and the evidence that supports them - however, when the evidence is overwhelming, so is the probability that the theory is correct.

And the evidence for climate change is so overwhelming that there is no longer a debate among climate scientists.

Some people just have difficulty accepting science that they don’t like. They’re usually woefully inconsistent about it though. For example, we’ve had several posters suggest that the Medieval Warm Period is evidence against climate change. They will very happily accept the science that has been able to ascertain the likely global temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period, but the second the science become incompatible with their personal beliefs, they throw it out the window.

There in lies the error over confidence in the sources yes that's not to say it's not correct, chances are it is, but too much faith and belief could also be a fallacy.
That said with the climate change, we need machines to counter it.

SingingNettles · 30/07/2023 01:37

Hawkins0001 · 30/07/2023 01:14

There in lies the error over confidence in the sources yes that's not to say it's not correct, chances are it is, but too much faith and belief could also be a fallacy.
That said with the climate change, we need machines to counter it.

When the evidence is so strong that there no longer exists any meaningful debate, the sensible thing to do is assume that the evidence is correct.

For example, if you’re pondering jumping off a building in the hope you might fly rather than fall, it’s probably best to consider the available evidence and make your decision based on it. Who knows, the science may be wrong, and there are few if any certainties in science but the overwhelming evidence is that you’re going to hit the ground.

Yes technology is needed to combat climate change (and huge strides have already been made) but we’re not there yet, and the world is continuing to get hotter.

There are a few ideas as to technologies that could be deployed if we fail to curb climate change but they’re currently perceived to be risky (for example, geonengineering might work and warrants further research, but we currently don’t understand it well enough to be sure that it won’t make things worse).

SingingNettles · 30/07/2023 01:43

Something else to consider. Let’s say that there wasn’t a 99-100% consensus among climate scientists and, instead, pretend that 50% believed in anthropogenic global warming (and predicted potentially dire consequences as a result thereof, in the near future) and the other 50% thought we could carry on as we are and everything will be fine.

Bearing in mind the stakes, surely erring on the side of caution would be warranted?

Ukrainebaby23 · 30/07/2023 05:36

sidebirds · 28/07/2023 17:59

Q: When does the 'climate emergency' end? A: The moment you turn off your television and stop reading the papers.

That doesn't mean there isn't appalling pollution caused by greed & carelessness. Installing, for example, tens of thousands of wind turbines that kill birds en masse, and disorientate whales leading them to ground themselves on beaches, is hardly 'environmentally conscious', never mind the fact that these machines can only be disposed of as landfill. I could go on.

It's a scam and a lie. The earth's climate has always been in a state of flux. The entire planet was once a tropical paradise. At other times, covered in ice. The ice-caps at the North & South Poles are the residue of the last Ice Age. If they melt, the sea will undoubtedly rise, but human misbehaviour will have very little or nothing to do with it.

This is my extremely clever, DHs pov. He does believe I'm climate change, but not that is caused by him being confused where to put his waste cardboard. He doesn't subscribe to conspiracy theories but he does have contempt for authorities who impose rules he doesn't see as fair or reasonable. Other than YouTube for diy tips, he doesn't do sm.

I disagree with some of his views but I respect him enough to value his opinions.

CurlewKate · 30/07/2023 06:58

@EmilyBrontesGhost "SingingNettles
Didn’t the UK just have it’s hottest June on record??

Nope."

Yep. Hottest June on record. Met Office said so.

ToDoLists · 30/07/2023 07:17

So I guess the problem is I tend to believe news like this published just 2 days ago https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66322608 (can share numerous other sources and places if people have instant dislike for BBC), over mumsnetters or my DH saying they remember a hotter summer in the 70s or that they think July has been rather wet where they are this year.

"Don't listen to the science or data, listen to my memory of the weather" seems like a barmy position to have.

A woman uses a fan to cool down as the faithful wait for Pope Francis' Angelus prayer, amid rising temperatures, at Saint Peter's Square, Vatican City, 23 July 2023.

Climate change: July set to be world's warmest month on record

UN chief says we are in an "era of global boiling" as July set to be world's warmest month on record.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66322608

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EmilyBrontesGhost · 30/07/2023 08:51

ToDoLists · 30/07/2023 07:17

So I guess the problem is I tend to believe news like this published just 2 days ago https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66322608 (can share numerous other sources and places if people have instant dislike for BBC), over mumsnetters or my DH saying they remember a hotter summer in the 70s or that they think July has been rather wet where they are this year.

"Don't listen to the science or data, listen to my memory of the weather" seems like a barmy position to have.

Goodness, you're gullible.

Isitjustmeoriseverythingshit7970 · 30/07/2023 09:04

EmilyBrontesGhost · 30/07/2023 08:51

Goodness, you're gullible.

Gullible?? Do you think there is a conspiracy involving the entire science community, the UN, naturists, David Attenborough and vast amounts of data including footage are made up then? You are entirely bonkers but when climate catastrophe comes knocking at your door or the doors of your children you will realise you were wrong and it will be too late.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 30/07/2023 09:11

ToDoLists · 30/07/2023 07:17

So I guess the problem is I tend to believe news like this published just 2 days ago https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66322608 (can share numerous other sources and places if people have instant dislike for BBC), over mumsnetters or my DH saying they remember a hotter summer in the 70s or that they think July has been rather wet where they are this year.

"Don't listen to the science or data, listen to my memory of the weather" seems like a barmy position to have.

Does he actually deny climate change or he just doesn't believe we're all doomed?

Are there changes you want to make to your home/lifestyle to help with this and he's not agreeing?