Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?

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DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

I was just doing the devils advocate argument

I appreciate that, but was explaining why it isn’t a good one.

Which I also appreciate as it helps me learn more than getting stuck with all the science notes etc at least until I have better understanding of all the concepts , theories etc

"Oh look at me! I'm so middle class! I'm so intelligent! And educated! I conform with exactly what the government has told me, because I'm so smart and not a conspiracy Theorist! I'm so woke and anti racism too and I perform that just as I have been taught too even though I have barely any black or Asian friends. But how awful for me that my husband doesn't comply and actively show his allegiance! I must get rid of this one! What would my friends think? "

This is how I see all of your posts.

Also when you kick your husband out, any chance you could give him my details? Because he sounds quite interesting.

What a load of bollocks!

Oh and also, "let me get rid of this one! He might be an amazing dad, he might treat me really well and be quite attractive, but my god! What will the neighbours think!!!"

You come across as incredibly childish and up your own arse with your middle class beliefs.

You obviously have zero respect and no love for him as you are ok with lots of people calling him “plonker”’ dimwit, dumb , daft etc. and the fact you are willing to end the marriage over his views . I am astonished because he isn’t even denying climate change as per your post , but questioning the ‘gravity of the situation ‘ , wants to do his bit like ‘care about the planet ‘ ‘recycling’ but just thinks for now some of the stuff is exaggerated (he may change his views later). But this view is enough for you to break up a marriage and deny your children their father on an everyday basis, put them through a divorce even though he is a “ good dad, a reliable one “. Cruel.

The situation becomes ‘problematic ‘ if you make it a problem and make him sound like a flat earther and someone in complete opposition to what science is showing and a completely unreasonable human being. I think this isn’t really about just climate change , there are other things that need to be looked at in your marriage. Imagine telling your sons you left their father “because he didn’t believe the seriousness of climate change like me “. I can’t believe it’s just this. I would look into couples counselling very seriously.

Honestly, why don't you just tell him and let him find someone else?

Not every woman is as sensitive, he will be fine.

😂 this is most of mumsnet

@Hawkins0001 which industries might benefit by a move to more sustainable everything? Forget industries - we would benefit as consumers and as a nation from lower energy costs and not having to engage in conflicts in various parts of the world because our access to gas and petrol is endangered.

It's especially insane that places like the US or Australia that have access to so much solar power should still have the political class pushing for coal and oil. This is the contradiction at the heart of right-wing thinking about it. Sustainable energy is often synonymous with autonomous access to energy, both at an individual and national level. It should be right up their alley. But ultimately their selfish focus on money means they just work to protect the interest of a few billionaires with fossil fuel interests.

Lastly I'll again point out the huge health benefits of moving away from fossil fuels, even if climate wasn't an issue.

How depressing that there are nasty people like you out there. Go and troll somewhere else and let everyone else get on with actual discussion

Removing pollution is not the same as dealing with climate change. Climate change technologies are making money and are profitable to implement and also ruin the earth in different ways - saw the windmills all over Shetland last night, a desecration of a beautiful landscape. But removing pollution costs money and requires expensive changes that do not make money for those carrying out the changes. So the oil in the Niger delta is not tackled because Shell is too big to upset and is a multinational that is richer and more powerful than many governments and also able to 'help' those who support its agenda. One must bear all these points in mind when reading about climate change. A scientist, for example, need not be dishonest but if his funding depends on supporting climate change he is likely to find he agrees with it - those brave enough to dissent (as with other ologies) get ostracised and can no longer work on anything, not just climate change.

What makes you think renewable energy is going to be cheaper? So far it is more expensive. And not everything runs on electricity, so all gas appliances will have to be replaced, with all the pollution and energy requirements that will involve - so, more cost. Renewable energy, which we have advanced with very little, is no panacea.

Consider what we are being asked to do for CC.

Taxes and regulations that push up energy costs, meaning the cost of food and heating.

Where does the money go? Employees and advisers who help business deal with this. New businesses designed to take advantage of subsidies.

CC policies will cause poverty and death.

Many environmentalists are happy with this. They think there are too many of us.

So, no I wouldn’t have any trouble being with someone who objects to policies deliberately designed to enrich a few and cause widespread poverty to the many.

Sounds like a smart man to me. The media used the pandemic fear to make sheep of the masses. Its now using climate alarmist to do the same.

UK has had coldest July I can remember, but you'll struggle to find news outlets reporting this. In fact BBC is more concerned with other parts of the world's weather.

Loving your post. And the ratio on this one.

Cheers

@Olderandolder how to say "I don't understand what global warming means and its potential for the UK" without saying it.

@Grammarnut it'll be cheaper because 1) the more you produce of something, the cheaper it gets and it fuels development of more effective technologies, 2) there will be further savings from health services having to deal with fewer pollution-related chronic conditions and 3) the UK for instance could be less dependent on other countries such as Russia and could supply more energy to consumers at cost rather than having to fill up the coffers of fossil fuel shareholders.

In terms of producing renewables - do you know how staggeringly expensive it is to dig out, process and deliver fossil fuels? Certainly not cheaper than renewables, and it comes with worse side effects.

Why is being educated and intelligent a bad thing? Absolutely horrifying that people have come to champion anti-intellectualism!

Conforming to what the government think, sorry just for clarification would that be the British government or are you elsewhere in the world? If so, last time I saw Sunak being interviewed there was just a lot of defensiveness on how well Britain is doing in tackling climate change as opposed to other countries, definitely no signs of leadership on the issues, I'd say the views of the government in this country are more aligned with yours.

Yes because, the UK having a wetter than average July equates to no climate change, such an insight, never thought of this.

I’d flip this around. I couldn’t imagine having the energy to be with a zealot who can’t tolerate a different opinion, even though some of our views clearly align.

I am glad there are some people with a modicum of common sense here. There was some guff come out of the BBC a couple of days ago. Stating that it was a sign of things to come in the future that the world is going to be seeing, as a common feature, record high temperatures. But. Because they couldn't use this summer as an example, they used last year as an example.... ( the 1 day that we had over 40 ..wowsers). So why didn't they use this year as an example. Because its the coolest July on record ???..., they are always using smoke and mirrors to convince the poor commoners of this climate catastrophe. Look through history, we had ice age we had instances when we were reaching temperatures so high, the seas dried. Even as recent as the 70s. I recall hot summers much more than today. So why does that occur, and was that the fault of humans. I am not saying that we have not contributed to polluting this planet. But you are fools if you cannot see what these people are expecting you to believe. Renewable energy is big business, and there are many profiting to the tune of tens of millions. And what happens to the little people, we panic over food and heating and we are all the poorer for it. Have a great .... wet and windy.... weekend

Yes. There's a lot of research into the psychology and psychoanalytical theory if climate change denial. It's fascinating though very depressing also.