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Why do some people have comparatively smooth easy lives, and others the opposite?

197 replies

Unbalance · 20/07/2023 15:15

I mean I think it's down to random luck really, there is no why. But it's just on my mind.

Lots of people seem to believe that we all get dealt roughly a similar amount of shit over a lifetime but I really don't think that's true. Some people seem notably more lucky than others overall?

Do you believe everyone gets an approximately similar slice of shit pie?

OP posts:
kraftyKitten · 21/07/2023 16:15

Daffodilwoman · 20/07/2023 22:26

I agree with you op.
I know people who haven’t had to work, their parents have supported them through 6th form and university. They haven’t had so much as a Saturday job. They have had driving lessons paid for, a new car bought, deposit for a house, wedding paid for. Then free childcare provided. Also free babysitting so the couple can build their relationship and not have as much strain put upon their marriage.
This makes life so much easier.

That's true . I know someone who paid her child's tuition fees , gave her a house deposit , free childcare etc but the mother is very controlling and flies into a rage if she's thwarted. It ended her Childs marriage as the son in law could not cope with being micro managed and left .

kraftyKitten · 21/07/2023 16:17

Daffodilwoman · 20/07/2023 22:26

I agree with you op.
I know people who haven’t had to work, their parents have supported them through 6th form and university. They haven’t had so much as a Saturday job. They have had driving lessons paid for, a new car bought, deposit for a house, wedding paid for. Then free childcare provided. Also free babysitting so the couple can build their relationship and not have as much strain put upon their marriage.
This makes life so much easier.

You usually find pampered people such as the people you describe have a big sense of entitlement. When shit does hit the fan and there isn't mum or dad to pick up the pieces people like this end up with poor mental health.

Newshoess · 21/07/2023 16:40

Xenia · 21/07/2023 14:03

If most people have 2 loving parents then those without it are unluckly. If more than not do not have that then those that do are lucky. However plenty of children are in one parent families and are equally as loved and cared for as those with 2 parents in a more classic family.

Things like if you are alcoholic are partly genetics so that's luck. It can be hard to unravel luck and other factors. I am the oldest child. Oldest childre are usually the most conformist and successful - so that is luck that I am first but huge numbers of other factors come into play. I am female so that is lucky because I can do some of the best things in life and men can't - carry a child (5 of them in my case) and breastfeed and comes with some downsides - menstruation which is a bit of a nuisance men don't have.

I have worked very hard without a break since 1983 full time and that without doubt has played a part in what I earn and my life as I did not even take maternity leaves.

It's a well known fact that if you are single parent/ child growing up up a single parent household that it is a disadvantage and has a negative aconataction. It can even be a possible safeguarding issue being a single parent (I did some training at work and it flagged up).

Despite all the love in the world it doesn't equate opening doors if you are living in poverty of struggling totally separate matter all together.

Clymene · 21/07/2023 16:48

It's a well known fact that if you are single parent/ child growing up up a single parent household that it is a disadvantage and has a negative aconataction. It can even be a possible safeguarding issue being a single parent (I did some training at work and it flagged up).

That is related to poverty, not having a man in the house. Children raised in a lesbian couple have the best outcomes. Women and children are most at risk of harm from the men they share their home with.

Newshoess · 21/07/2023 17:13

@Clymene that's not the point of the thread though. The post was about luck. I only commented on the back of what the poster was saying its not just poverty is it? A 2 parent household is generally stronger in many ways. Childcare can be shared, sick days, job opportunities can be accepted rather than declined because you have physical and emotional support from your partner. I think you've missed the point of the thread.

Flauralaura · 21/07/2023 17:33

I think we are talking about two different things here. The ease and stability of your life (or otherwise) is undoubtedly massively influenced by your parents and family, how much love, emotional/financial/educational support you received when you are growing up. The example of a good life certainly makes it easier to make the right plans and choices to achieve the same for yourself. Some people can find the resources within themselves to make that sort of life even despite not having that "lucky" start in life and that is admirable.

But it is a fact that, although very few people will pass through life without some problems, some people experience far more random trauma, tragedy and misfortune than others. Serious illness, traumatic bereavements, disabilities, stillbirths, road accidents,being the victim of violent crime - many people will never experience any of these in their lifetimes - and others will suffer all or several of them (sadly someone close to me has had the lot). No amount of careful planning, personal responsibility or agency can prevent or solve these issues. And however strong a person you are, trying to cope with these things on top of maintaining a normal "successful" life, trying to hold a family and relationships together, holding on to your own mental health, gets harder and harder as one thing impacts on the next.

Some people most definitely have harder lives than others and there doesn't seem to be a way to explain that other than that they have had very bad luck.

TopOfTheCliff · 21/07/2023 17:34

I am a sunny optimist and believe I have the best life. I was born into a happy professional family that valued education and gave me every opportunity. I married a very clever man and we prospered with 3 clever DC who are all happy and successful. Up till late 50s I cruised along cheerfully. In the last three years I have had cancer twice, lost my beloved DF, fallen overboard from a boat and had my car smashed while I was asleep. I feel like I have offended a Himalayan deity on my travels and am having bad luck raised down on me. I am still optimistic but a bit battered. Looking back on life I minimised the major car crash I had at 28 and the miscarriages and difficulties with one of my DC who needed surgery. The script is that I am lucky and happy because I am loved despite all the crap that has been happening. I think it’s my natural resilience that gets me through and a wilful denial of bad stuff. I don’t get depressed and am generally very upbeat but Christ! I wish life would give me a break now. Enough of the life lessons!

Clymene · 21/07/2023 17:45

Newshoess · 21/07/2023 17:13

@Clymene that's not the point of the thread though. The post was about luck. I only commented on the back of what the poster was saying its not just poverty is it? A 2 parent household is generally stronger in many ways. Childcare can be shared, sick days, job opportunities can be accepted rather than declined because you have physical and emotional support from your partner. I think you've missed the point of the thread.

It's luckier to be born not in poverty. Luckier still to have lesbian parents in a committed relationship Smile

Zippeedidodah · 21/07/2023 18:17

Unbalance · 20/07/2023 19:39

Absolutely agree.

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Xenia · 21/07/2023 18:32

I suppose there could be computer programs and AI that people could feed factors into to get your life chances out the other end from looking pretty to having a high IQ, 2 parents v 1, straight or gay parents etc etc. The kind of formula in our family (even from the 1890s when my grandfather's brother became a solicitor, got an LLB etc and a sister qualified as a nurse) was do as well at school as you can, ideally in a profession, then in the 1900s do that, have 2 professional salaries, buy a property before you have children and those kinds of things that can make life a bit easier because of security of income and a home, but most things come from having been loved as a child even if you are in poverty - without that it can be hard to lead a happy adult life.

I mentioned single parents because I got divorced after nearly 20 years and don't think my children are the worse for it.

daisychain01 · 21/07/2023 18:39

Determinism versus free will.

some people believe their life is mapped out for them and they have pretty much no agency, no ability to turn things around, it's all to do with external factors, other people have all the luck, they have the shit deal.

other people believe in free will, that no matter the shit hand they've been handed, they have inner resolve to claim their power and influence to not partner up with the fuckwit deadbeat, they'd sooner be single and make their own way and decisions in life, to grab the job and make their living the way that works for them.

health barriers (mental and physical), poverty, lack of education opportunities, unemployment, low skill base, have a significant part to play and some people end up with more than their share of all these, but a vast majority of people let opportunities pass them by, they may not see them and they think others have all the luck, yet the opportunity they let pass them by didn't happen, because they may have had low esteem and felt they don't deserve success.

there's no single right answer, just a bunch of random situations. All we can do is try our best to turn whatever we have into something worthwhile, to make life bearable and hopefully fruitful.

daisychain01 · 21/07/2023 18:41

a vast majority of people let opportunities pass them by = of the people who put things down to luck that others have but they don't

Newshoess · 21/07/2023 19:05

@Xenia from what you have listed luck was on your side. Perhaps you had family support? Perhaps you co parented with your ex DH or maybe you didn't but he still contributed finicially to you running the family home whilst you were the resident parent? These things make a huge difference on the outcome so perhaps this is what's lead you to feeling like this.
It's an interesting thread.

Riapia · 21/07/2023 19:07

Life is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy to those who feel.
Horace Walpole.

Tiredmumandpro · 21/07/2023 19:22

I think it's a combination of luck and what you make of what you face in life.
My unlucky bits: alcoholic, financially irresponsible father full of rage when drunk, passive, intimidated mother who would never protect me or herself. Always living on the edge as a child, never enough money for anything
Lucky bits: access to good public education, parents who really cares about me receiving good education (despite all the toxicity at home), excellent friends who held my hand during tough times
I was lucky and unlucky, but I do believe I should give myself credit for developing a strong and financially rewarding career out of all that financial and emotional instability.
I got therapy and really dedicated myself to heal the wounds of the childhood, which I believe helped me choose a safe, good financially responsible partner who pulls his own weight. But I know I was lucky to have met him etc

FeelingHelpless99 · 21/07/2023 19:46

I’ve been fighting so hard to fight off family stuff. An older philandering father, a depressed mother who had been a DV victim in her previous marriage, both of them alcoholics. Her family disapproved of my Dad so much (I finally piece together) that they all fell out, and my Dad took my Mum off to the back of beyond when she had two small young kids, while basically ignoring his step son.

My mum died relatively young of cancer and I was wiping my by then crippled Dad’s bum at a time when it seemed like all my friends were organising happy family holidays or letting mum and dad mind the kids. (I know this is not the case).

My background left me with a huge wariness of relationships, and inability to relate in a healthy way; and so loneliness I felt in my twenties was so bad I felt like it was damaging my self confidence and holding me back in all areas. It meant I didn’t get my own emotional shit together until later than most, so am an older mum myself, then my beloved partner died suddenly of a heart attack and here I am, wondering how I could have created such a hard future for my own child. Meanwhile I’m dealing with an unexpectedly early menopause, 6 years before my mum’s.

My sister seemed to become an (even worse) inferno of spite when I finally carved out a little piece of happiness for myself with my beautiful partner, and became a mum. I’ve tried playing Happy Families, as the children of alcoholics are wont to do, but have recently gone grey rock on her.

I don’t talk to anyone about this. Until I became a widow, I probably seemed the kind of person who had no problems.

No one really knows what’s going on. Often my friends moan to me about their unhappy family situations and I sit there quietly thinking it all sounds brilliant.

Hopefully things can still get better. I guess it is all up to me.

FeelingHelpless99 · 21/07/2023 19:48

There’s a great word I heard: familege. That’s the best and greatest and loveliest privilege there is.

Backstreets · 21/07/2023 20:03

@FeelingHelpless99 💐 I couldn’t agree more.

minmooch · 21/07/2023 21:10

I think it's all degrees really. There's good luck, normal bad luck, how you deal with bad luck and then there's terrible shit that happens.

The terrible shit that happens doesn't care if you are Fromm good family/wealth/old/young.

I've had my fair share of 'normal' bad luck that I have dealt with well.

Then I've had terrible shit happened to me. 8 miscarriages, the still birth of twin daughters then my eldest son diagnosed with brain cancer, 2half hellish years fighting that, his death, my mums death the following year(young and also cancer) followed the year after with my fathered diagnosis of dementia.

I don't feel lucky. I'm financially stable, have a job, a loving partner and a son. I appreciate the things I have in my life. But fuck it's hard to live every day without my eldest son. No amount of good up bringing, wealth or wishful thinking could save him or us from the devastation.

I also think it's how much crap you have to deal with at one time. And when it's one thing after the other without any chance to recover then it's just plain shit.

But I have a home, car, food, electricity. Don't live in fear or war, famine. So I'm still luckier than others.

Thepossibility · 21/07/2023 21:20

I think being born in a developed country with access to an education and human rights is massively lucky as a woman. That is the luckiest break of them all.

CKL987 · 21/07/2023 21:32

I think some of it is privilege/good start in life and some can be attitude. My sibling is very laid back about things and life has just come easy to them, and I think that is why. Not being worried and anxious about things has allowed them to just take a chance and explore opportunities and ask for things that maybe others wouldn't.

Zanatdy · 21/07/2023 21:35

a lot is down to luck, some of it might be down to things like finances etc. I have pretty bad luck health wise, gallstones caused damage to my pancreas and I needed half of it removing aged 40, having suffered severe pain for 8yrs at that point. If I get a pet, it gets a disease, people now say stuff like ‘you’re so unlucky etc’. But I personally consider myself to be lucky as I’d rather be the one with the diseases and I’m so fortunate that I have 3 healthy children. I am a glass half full person and that helps, dwelling on misfortune doesn’t help. I’m fortunate in many other ways, and my favourite saying re my health is ‘it is what it is’

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