School detentions

[Drhollyfrazier]

They just don’t sit right with me at all. Teachers don’t want to be there so why do they insist on keeping children after school? I don’t understand where the mentality comes from that they can keep children there as a punishment past when they have to be there. Also lunch time detentions. Kids can have a break which would probably refresh them for the last few hours of the day but keeping them from their friends and a break from out of the classroom is surely only going to bring out an attitude and negative mood for the rest of the day.

When I was in high school 2007-13, I was often given detention for not completing homework, pretty much every week. That’s because I was so depressed during that time I wouldn’t get any sleep all night, having panic attacks, sometimes self harming. Every subjects teacher missed the warning signs of my MH and the response was detentions.

I just think it is absolutely not the right of schools to keep kids after school hours. aibu

I agree, @Foxesandsquirrels - I couldn't see how it had gone on so long either. The teacher had put repeated notes in ds1's book, telling him to do the work, but hadn't put anything in the planner or anything else we would see. And he didn't seem to have followed up on any of his messages, or escalated the issue - even the HoD couldn't understand why it had dragged on like that.

But I assure you it's true.

they have to pay the consequences.

For what?
I'm all for rules regarding work ethic and behaviour. But when teachers decide to do a "crackdown" on something that did not matter before or come up with a new rule, that is only expected to antagonize and punish rather than improve anything - that makes it really hard to teach kids to respect authority.

In this case, @JazbayGrapes, “paying the consequences” would mean accepting the relevant consequence if they broke the school rules while protesting.

Civil disobedience shouldn’t involve rule breaking, in my understanding, but if legitimate protest spills over into rule breaking/illegality, the protesters may face sanctions/prosecution.

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Tbf you did the right thing.

You backed the school and your child learn the lesson.

Baffling to me why other people don't do this tbh !

If an after school detention inconveniences the parents all the better, it might make them tell their children to behave better.

You are mistaken , a school can give a child a detention they cannot legally stop a parent with PR removing them from the school building at any time of day not just at regular home time.

I am not mistaken, schools are allowed to give detentions and a parent's ability to physically remove a child from a school doesn't override that.

If a child doesn't attend a detention, then the sanction can escalate.

Sad teacher trolling thread. Feel free to be one for a week, this is ridiculous.

When you choose to send your child to a particular school, you agree to their terms and conditions. You can't pick and choose which you agree with and which you don't.

Don't agree with them, don't send them...your choice! But you can't send them then decide you won't agree to their rules! Stupid!

I do agree on uniform - girls expected to wear 60 denier tights in the Summer if wearing a skirt - because socks are banned with skirts - is insane.
Blaming young women for young men upskirting and being told "legs are distracting" wtaf? What is that teaching either sex?
The girls protesting outside the gates had my utmost respect - but they were isolated in school. What it bloody needed was every single girl turning up in socks, every day - would they have isolated all of them?

Parental choice and autonomy is thin on the ground in the state sector.
Your choice really is your local school much of the time.
You have the choice of home educating or sending them to the nearest academy. You often don't get a say in what the CEO/multi-academy trust have decided/prioritised.
This is where parent governors come into it, but even then, and even with parent questionnaires, I'm not sure how much Parent Voice or Pupil Voice really counts, apart from as an OFSTED box-ticking exercice.

And this, in a nutshell, is why schools have so many issues with kids with poor behaviour.

parents don’t give a shit so kids don’t give a shit.

If an after school detention inconveniences the parents all the better, it might make them tell their children to behave better.

Are you bloody serious? Antagonize the parents and expect their support and respect? Please go on another strike.

Stop blaming teachers for your kid’s behaviour, if your kids behave you’re not inconvenienced

Exactly, the teachers are antagonising for giving the poor poppets consequences for shitty behaviour, no mention of maybe the kids shouldn't do the shitty behavior.

They are not trying to antagonize parents, they are giving a detention to someone who deserves it. Maybe support the school instead then perhaps the child's behaviour will improve.

I mean maybe raise your kids better ?

Not all kids get repeated detentions or punishment for school. Stop expecting teachers and schools to do the parenting for you.

And it's clear that actually with this comment you unlikely aren't parenting them.

Or take some responsibility for your kids shit behaviour.

Are you bloody serious? Antagonize the parents and expect their support and respect?

Schools don't want your support for any other reason than to enable them to provide a good education and a safe learning environment for your child and their classmates. Why else do you think the school would want you to support their behaviour policies? Why else do you think they even have behaviour policies and give detentions? For their own amusement? If you don't like the behaviour policies, vote with your feet.

So what would you suggest is put in place to teach kids these essential skills?

It's SO important that kids learn the right skills to survive on their own in life, which includes punctuality, having the right stuff with them, preparation etc...

I don't give a detention to a child that hasn't done their homework or forgotten their book for the first time, but I do if they repeatedly do this without good reason. But I would also phone home and speak to the parents, and most parents support the school in wanting a child to learn these important skills.

My DDs were at a Scottish high school that didn’t give detentions. The majority of pupils relied on the school bus to get home to isolated rural villages, and if kept behind for a detention would then be stranded with no transport. In the dark, in winter, as sunset is 3.30pm up here in December.
It didn’t seem to affect discipline. The kids were made to do litter picks, or ordered to sit in the pastoral care base instead of seeing their friends at break time, or whatever. More helpfully, their behaviour would be discussed with them, and reparations agreed, such as apologies, or appropriate referrals made to counselling.

Being made to sit in pastoral base at break is detention

The kids were made to do litter picks, or ordered to sit in the pastoral care base instead of seeing their friends at break time, or whatever.

That is a detention!

Yep. That’s detention.