To think they shouldn't ban vapes?

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I've just heard on the news that there is talk of banning vapes.

Vaping successfully got me and thousands of others off the cigarettes when all else failed. They're safer, cheaper, less offensive.

They say the fruity flavours entice children, well so do alcoholic drinks like WKD, fruit ciders etc. You don't see any bans on alcohol coming into play. Alcohol is a far more problematic 'vice' than vaping.

Adult vapers are not responsible for somebody else's child deciding to vape any more than a parent having a glass of wine of an evening is encouraging children to drink.

Why can't we move towards mass recycling them as opposed to an outright ban? I would happily recycle every one I use. Many would. Gladly. It's not just about the environmental issue though is it?

What happened to banning cigarettes? That never came to fruition did it, perhaps they should start there.

AIBU?

Single use vapes have a big environmental impact and from a health point of view banning those would be like the ban on newsagents selling single cigarettes - it will have the largest impact on children and casual/new users.

I'm not suggesting that two wrongs make a right. I'm simply highlighting the sheer hypocrisy.

I'm talking about alcoholic drinks with attractive flavours, brightly coloured labels etc.

All that is apparently fine.. but a strawberry ice vape which is also labelled as 18+? Scandalous.

Come down hard on the shops selling vapes to kids just like we are supposed to come down hard on the shops selling alcohol to kids.

I see far more booze paraphernalia scattered about on my morning walk than I see disposable vapes, of course on mumsnet you'll be told they're absolutely littered everywhere and you can't move for stepping over one 🙄

What's stopping you giving up your vape altogether?

I totally agree with this.

Yes, this is something I've seen myself. A bin lorry caught fire whilst it was at one of the sites I was visiting. It was rushed out of the building to avoid that catching fire.

Lithium ion batteries are so dangerous, the slightest arc from an undischarged battery can cause an explosion. They're also dangerous when wet and so many people dispose of these batteries (which look like any other) in their black bag waste along with tea bags and the like...

So many processing plants have caught fire. In fact, I'm not sure of any of the major ones that haven't.

Every council has recycling facilities for disposal of household wastes, including batteries, but still, selfish and lazy people put these in the bin. If they knew how much they are literally playing with fire, they wouldn't do it.

I’m astonished how many people think vapes should be prescription only. Has anyone tried recently to get a GP appointment for actual illness? I can’t imagine adding vapers to the wait list will help the NHS or the public.

I don’t agree with or use the single use plastic ones though.

I vape but don't see the appeal in strawberry cheesecake flavour, I use tobacco, similar to the silk cut I smoked. The kids vaping today haven't tried cigarettes they are straight onto the vapes, I'm guessing the strawberry cheesecake is quite enticing to them.

Very true. A prescription for vapes would be bottom of the list,

Vapes1, I would totally support a ban on alcohol for kids. Do you really want to go down that route? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest as I'm teetotal but I support adults being able to drink what they want.

Your posts are really short-sighted and you don't seem to understand what's being said because you're conflating issues out of all sense or context.

Prescription only is mainly a way of keeping them from children. If it happened in the U.K., it would be more along the lines of filling out a form at your chemist and then buying them from there.

One of the differences is that we have rules for the marketing of alcohol.

18.14Marketing communications must not be likely to appeal particularly to people under 18, especially by reflecting or being associated with youth culture. They should not feature or portray real or fictitious characters who are likely to appeal particularly to people under 18 in a way that might encourage the young to drink. People shown drinking or playing a significant role (see rule 18.16) should not be shown behaving in an adolescent or juvenile manner.

18.15Marketing communications must not be directed at people under 18 through the selection of media or the context in which they appear. No medium should be used to advertise alcoholic drinks if more than 25% of its audience is under 18 years of age.

18.16People shown drinking or playing a significant role must neither be nor seem to be under 25. People under 25 may be shown in marketing communications, for example, in the context of family celebrations, but must be obviously not drinking.

Lots of things are prescription only. Doesn't mean anyone can just demand a prescription.

Teenagers are always going to be looking for the next thing parents say no to. Our generation got into pubs and got white lightening from the corner shops. That isn't so easy for the current generation, thankfully they aren't smoking or doing hard drugs which are easier to access than alcohol.

Maybe what is needed instead of an out right ban on disposable vapes is zero nicotine vapes for those who don't want it as a stop smoking aid more an alternative. They could also be used by people stopping traditional cigarettes but wanting the experience of smoking.

At the end of the day if DS was going to try it I would rather it was a vape vs cigarettes.

If disposables (park the recycling for a moment) just had tobacco and say menthol flavour and all other flavours were banned, that might reduce the enticement for younger folk.

Anyway, the local weed dealer will not be bothered, no bans there. You can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant.

I had vape for 5 years before getting pregnant, I went off the vape during my last pregnancy but started again when she was a month old. Pregnant again and I've quit vaping hopefully for good. But yes, I think they should ban the disposable vapes, all those fruity flavours like blueberry bubblegum etc are very appealing to kids. They are also terrible for the environment. No issue with the refillable ones though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8263470/

Vapes are full of toxic carcinogenic chemicals. Too many uneducated people thinking just because they smell nicer than cigarettes or can be nicotine free they’re ‘fine’. They should be banned.

Because banning things stops use eh? 🙄

Plus so many selfish arseholes who think it’s ok to vape inside, including one idiot who was vaping all through my last flight despite being repeatedly told not too. Vaping is a huge problem socially, environmentally and health-wise.

I’m a long term vaper and I would support a ban on them. I’ve bought disposable vapes twice - on occasions when I’ve been out and about and unexpectedly had a duff coil or forgotten to charge my battery, so they were handy then, but I can’t understand why anyone would choose them over rechargeable vapes as an everyday choice, for a myriad of reasons. They’re completely unnecessary and a huge problem with children smoking them.

Popcorn lung....
They're not safe.
100 percent should be pharmacy only and not disposable.
I worry for the kids in future.

Popcorn lung is bullshit
The chemical that was reported to cause it is found in higher quantities in cigarettes

From cancer research

Some of the liquids in e-cigarettes used to contain diacetyl. This led to the idea that e-cigarettes might cause popcorn lung. In the UK, diacetyl was banned in e-cigarette liquids under the EU Tobacco Products Directive (TPD) in 2016. So, e-liquids sold in the UK shouldn’t contain diacetyl.
And there have been no confirmed cases of popcorn lung linked to e-cigarettes.

There have been calls to ban alcopops in the past too, actually. As vapes should only be used by people addicted to cigarettes, I think disposable vapes should be banned. I don’t actually give a flying fuck about things leaking in your bag, things being bulky, or whether or not you like sweet flavours. It should be an addiction treatment, not a lifestyle choice.

Not a U.K. study
E liquid in the U.K. is heavily regulated, mine has 4 ingredients
Fake vapes are an issue of course, same as anything else

For an example it's like comparing the ingredients in ketchup in the U.K. to ketchup in America

I think they should go the way of cigarettes: in plain packaging with warnings on them, only available from a closed cabinet, advertising banned, etc. This is probably more the way things will go than directly banning them.