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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
ButterCrackers · 14/07/2023 02:20

Firstly get the savings in your name too. Collect information about the savings as best you can. Do this today. Make the bank appointment today. Tell your dh what is happening. If he says no then you say you’re leaving him.
Next - that’s not a holiday in a van you have to fit out. Say that the holiday is cancelled. Sell the van. Go and visit your family and friends with your ds. Arrange this train/bus travel today. Go away when your dh is away. You’ll have a great time and your son too because you’ll be happy.
Your dh is living his best life doing nothing. I’d say to leave him and be happy you and your ds. Earning a pittance because he likes his job…He needs to step up and earn for his family. Instead of mates weekends and drinking he could get a second job.

SunRainStorm · 14/07/2023 02:28

This is so sad OP

You deserve better.

He sounds very financially controlling.

Your savings should be in a joint account or your own name for one.

Open your own bank account immediately and have your wages paid directly into it. Tell DH you will not put another penny into an account you can't see.

I am outraged that this man with a hobby career, who leaves 90% of household chores to you had the audacity to tell you that 'the rule' says you need to do the dishes.

Presumably that 'rule' was only ever brought into the house because he was too much of a selfish twat to realise that he shouldn't just eat a meal someone else planned, shopped, cooked and paid for, and then wander off without helping at all.

What an absolute prick.

I'd be looking at finding a nice flat in an area you want to live in with DS, and leave this selfish prick to see what's left of his nice life without you propping it up with your money and labour.

SunRainStorm · 14/07/2023 02:36

Tell DS and DH that the van sadly didn't pass it's MOT, what a shame DH didn't attend to it sooner like he was meant to.

Leave DS and DH home and take yourself for a well deserved break instead. Let DH manage everything, don't prepare a thing.

Use the time to yourself to visit where you would prefer to live, and then inspect some flats (with dishwashers!) near your friends and family. Try to picture a fresh start with DS and a life without all this bullshit.

The stuff about DS idolising DH doesn't mean they have a good relationship. Lots of children react like that to a parent they don't have a secure attachment to. I'd be surprised if DS in unaffected by having a father who begrudges him a haircut and decent shoes while taking himself on multiple boys trips every year.

Duckingella · 14/07/2023 02:38

If you divorce him 50% of those thousands he has saved is legally yours.

Seddon · 14/07/2023 02:45

Can you immediately get your hands on a big chunk of those savings under the guise of last minute holiday costs/van fixes etc? And while you're at it enquire (via text) how much is left.

EpicChaos · 14/07/2023 03:00

Before your husband goes away for the weekend, demand access to the savings account. Don't take no for an answer, insist on him immediately transferring 75% over to your account - 50% for you + 25% for your child, leaving him a quarter of what's there, which is more than fair considering he doesn't provide anything towards your childs needs.
Whilst he's away, get the locks changed and be away from home and incommunicado when he's due back, leave him to find alternative accommodation.
Go on holiday with just your child, it doesn't matter if it's not the same holiday as you'd planned, you can have fun anywhere.
Report him to the police about his van - if it hasn't got a current MOT, his insurance won't be valid.
Don't stay with him for your DC's benefit, it won't benefit him in the long run and nor will it benefit you, you'll still be the doormat that your husband wipes his dirty feet on. Don't let him do that to you, you are worth more!

ArcticSkewer · 14/07/2023 03:10

The savings thing is abusive. It stops you leaving. That's why he does it.

Op, you need to stop that and start saving. Do you have family who can help if you leave?

Muckysmucky · 14/07/2023 03:16

He’s living his best life isn’t he?

But you aren’t. Not even close to it.

In a healthy partnership the best life would ideally be a shared goal or at least near enough.

I think at best he’s selfish but at worst (and imo more likely) he’s abusive. He controls the narrative with money -both what your family income will be and what it is worthy of spending on (assume his pints and weekends away are more valid than his son’s school shoes?) , where you live, what roles you both take on at home etc etc.

Yet despite that he considers you needy and complicated?

That’s not love OP. And I know how heartbreaking that dawning must be.

Be kind to yourself.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 14/07/2023 03:24

SunRainStorm · 14/07/2023 02:36

Tell DS and DH that the van sadly didn't pass it's MOT, what a shame DH didn't attend to it sooner like he was meant to.

Leave DS and DH home and take yourself for a well deserved break instead. Let DH manage everything, don't prepare a thing.

Use the time to yourself to visit where you would prefer to live, and then inspect some flats (with dishwashers!) near your friends and family. Try to picture a fresh start with DS and a life without all this bullshit.

The stuff about DS idolising DH doesn't mean they have a good relationship. Lots of children react like that to a parent they don't have a secure attachment to. I'd be surprised if DS in unaffected by having a father who begrudges him a haircut and decent shoes while taking himself on multiple boys trips every year.

Wise advice here.

He sounds like a horrible partner and father.

user1492757084 · 14/07/2023 03:27

There are super fractious times in every one's life.

Your family is long in need of this holiday.
You also need to re assess family responsibilities long term - not in an accusing way but in a way that is a restructure.
Calm yourself as no good decision ever comes from tired, angry thoughts.
Once DH is back from the weekend he will be refreshed enough to look at a joint list to reach blast off to holiday.

Use the holiday to rest (work out a fair share of the chores load) and have a lovely time that reaffirms the value of your family.

After the holiday stop doing so much and divide the tasks up more fairly. Resist doing husband's jobs. Don't moan, comment etc. just let him cope with the fall out and fix it.

When husband pencils in a weekend away you pencil one in the same month.
Agree to more weekends at your parents' home together.
Adjust your work so that you have more time off.
Things have to change for you to be happier.

Splishsploshsplash · 14/07/2023 03:27

I’m going to add to the chorus. You would be better off in every way without this man, and your son would have a happier mum.

Jongleterre · 14/07/2023 03:33

Reading your post has made me feel quite malicious towards him and I have a fantasy of you biting your tongue and setting off to France.

At a remote place you somehow get him to get out and be distracted whilst you and child drive off without him, leaving him stranded, his phone and wallet in the van.

I then imagine him trudging through the countryside and meeting French people who shake their head at him and give him bad directions.

After wandering around France for a fortnight he eventually makes it back home where he is greeted by his belongings on the doorstep and a solicitors letter telling him it's all over, sunshine.

In reality, he is taking you for a mug, an absolute mug and apart from you deserving so much more, your son is going to be influenced by his upbringing and you don't want to bring another slacker like his father into the world.

D.I.V.O.R.C.E - now.

Fraaahnces · 14/07/2023 03:59

You need to get your own bank account ASAP. Make him dip into his savings or come crawling to you. This is financial abuse and it’s illegal.

GabriellaMontez · 14/07/2023 04:02

Well he's done well for himself!

What about you? Does he even want to go to France?

Advicerequest · 14/07/2023 04:06

AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 23:50

Thanks for being nice. I'm far from perfect and, like all other humans, can no doubt be a pain in the arse at times. I recognise I can be quite complicated, certainly but his standards. He seems to find me hard work. But I do graft and try to do my best.

Our life could be so much better, if he was braver and more responsive and alert to what other people (me, DS) need.

We've not had an easy run of it. I still think he's fundamentally a kind person, if a bit "path of least resistance". Maybe he could / would be different if life had taken a difderent course. Perhaps I'm finding it hard to let go of who I thought he was. It's really sad.

Hello OP
its really easy to make excuses for someone when you love them, or when you've got in the habit of making excuses for them. I did the same for years. but the bleak reality is that he is entitled, selfish, controlling and showing you neither love nor respect.
I also - along with everyone else here - think you should find a way out of this situation. Children have a way of knowing what's going on and I'm not sure any good cokes from setting your child the example of subjugating yourself for a selfish man. I fear you have become so downtrodden that you cannot see what is really happening and how truly explorative, selfish and uncaring his behaviour - He - is.

Ellenanora7 · 14/07/2023 04:07

Your first line in your opening post is when the abuse started, he has isolated you from everything you knew, you live where he was born, he has his family and friends around him all the time, he goes out overnight because he can't get home, he has weekends away with his friends, he does a job he loves but the pay is crap, he's getting the van ready for a family holiday but can't be bothered to finish it, he wants you to offload to someone who actually cares, he refuses to have a dishwasher, he is in control of the money.

Count how many times I said he @AppelationStation

I know it's not easy to leave, believe me I really do, but have a think about everything that is going on, this won't change, this will be your life and your son's life forever.
If you do decide to leave and you need help then post on here and call women's aid, there is help out there for whenever you make a decision, even if you decide to stay for now there are many amazing women on Mumsnet that will be here to listen.

Advicerequest · 14/07/2023 04:16

Also "our life would be so much better if...".
he's not going to change.

And it's not so much bravery he lacks - it's more that, in his most intimate relationship, he lacks decency. He is treating you extremely badly. He is not a decent human being.

DarkChoc33 · 14/07/2023 04:22

He won’t pay for his child’s shoes and leaves you without enough money to go shopping (I suspect grocery shopping?) yet has plenty of money to go away with his friends?

Here, have my first LTB. He sounds unkind, nasty and abusive. You sound lovely and decent, you deserve so much better than this.

user1492757084 · 14/07/2023 04:31

Jongleterre · 14/07/2023 03:33

Reading your post has made me feel quite malicious towards him and I have a fantasy of you biting your tongue and setting off to France.

At a remote place you somehow get him to get out and be distracted whilst you and child drive off without him, leaving him stranded, his phone and wallet in the van.

I then imagine him trudging through the countryside and meeting French people who shake their head at him and give him bad directions.

After wandering around France for a fortnight he eventually makes it back home where he is greeted by his belongings on the doorstep and a solicitors letter telling him it's all over, sunshine.

In reality, he is taking you for a mug, an absolute mug and apart from you deserving so much more, your son is going to be influenced by his upbringing and you don't want to bring another slacker like his father into the world.

D.I.V.O.R.C.E - now.

This would be be a very good and a funny film with a bright outcome.
Add ... comes home to changed locks and to live in van in parent's yard.

If you can not get yourself a fair deal on responsibilities and quick and enthusiastic change from husband on the holiday then you should put the above in motion.

Set up your own savings account, pronto!

Littlefish · 14/07/2023 04:31

user1492757084 · 14/07/2023 03:27

There are super fractious times in every one's life.

Your family is long in need of this holiday.
You also need to re assess family responsibilities long term - not in an accusing way but in a way that is a restructure.
Calm yourself as no good decision ever comes from tired, angry thoughts.
Once DH is back from the weekend he will be refreshed enough to look at a joint list to reach blast off to holiday.

Use the holiday to rest (work out a fair share of the chores load) and have a lovely time that reaffirms the value of your family.

After the holiday stop doing so much and divide the tasks up more fairly. Resist doing husband's jobs. Don't moan, comment etc. just let him cope with the fall out and fix it.

When husband pencils in a weekend away you pencil one in the same month.
Agree to more weekends at your parents' home together.
Adjust your work so that you have more time off.
Things have to change for you to be happier.

Are you reading a completely different thread?

This is not a 'fractious time'. This is systematic financial abuse.

SpinachSpinachMoreSpinach · 14/07/2023 04:44

You have 3 options:

Carry on as you have been. But I'd not recommend it - for obvious reasons.

Or you could drop the rope and stop doing everything, get your own bank and savings accounts and save your own money (i.e. stop the financial abuse - because this is what it is!), get a dishwasher, start having your own weekends away and otherwise prioritise your needs. In other words, try to lead the best life you can with this selfish, emotionally unavailable man, in a place where you do not want to be.

Or you could be brave, move back to London, let his father have your son during school holidays, and lead the life you actually want. This is the tough option, but it will ultimately be much more rewarding than staying.

user1492757084 · 14/07/2023 04:45

To be fair, I had not read all of OP posts.
To not have access or information on family money is certainly abuse. OP should not be paying any of her wage into such an account. She should stop.
I also consider it abuse that husband goes away four times per year alone and does not share family responsibilities.
OP should not accept that. Why does she?
How to proceed to fairness could involve staying together and dramatic, enthusiastic and educated change from husband .. or separation.
For me, I would have the holiday before separation. (The kid possibly is looking forward to that too) So my response was over generous towards keeping the family life friendly and settled until more rested to ensure quality (less fractious) talking and decision making time.

FOJN · 14/07/2023 04:56

My self respect has been hard won and I'm sad it's not shared.

There's no easy way to say this but I don't think you have any self respect.

You spent all evening doing something form your family holiday and he left the dishes for you to do and you don't say that you told him to fuck off. He'd been at home all day on that occasion. He'd be doing all the dishes if he refused to get a dishwasher.

He hasn't MOT'd his van and you think it's your job to rescue him from the consequences of that, why?

Your question is can you find someone else who would care more rather than should you leave him and make your life easier. You are doing nearly everything, why would you only consider leaving if you thought you could find a replacement for your lazy, selfish husband. I think you would manage just fine on your own.

He settles for a lower paying job, refuses to pay for things your child needs and you think he's better with money? No, he's selfish, how nice for him to be able to save whilst you pay for everything.

You have a child together and he's decided to go away for the weekend immediately before the family holiday, without discussion, leaving you to organise everything for the holiday and parent solo.

Your entire life has been shaped by what he wants. Time for you to decide what you want, if that's moving so that you have better family support then he will have to choose whether he moves too.

He may be polite but that really not enough to make someone a decent life partner. You can't improve this situation because he finds your attempts to talk about anything dramatic and draining. You are giving your all to a man who just wishes you would be quiet.

Leave and be happier.

user1492757084 · 14/07/2023 05:03

Also - It's time for DH to take all responsibility for dog walking. Why does he not do that if he is not finishing off camper etc?
Can he take DS to the weekends away with his friends?

Ihadenough22 · 14/07/2023 05:37

His life is perfect for him but it coming at to high a cost to you and your son. He has gotten you to move back to his area and you had to work hard to make friends. You had no family support with a baby or young child.
Meanwhile your earning more money than him and paying more than your share of the bills including all the costs of your child. Along with this if you ask him to do anything thing well your a nag.

At this stage I be gathering up all your financial details. I look for his bank, financial details and get advice re a divorce. He is not willing to to do anything to keep you in his life and is adding more stress to your life. I tell him that you want to know where your savings are, how much is their and that from now on your name is going to be on that account.
If he is not willing to share this information I would be making plans to end your marriage.
I would also consider moving back to your home area as you have family and friends support in this case.