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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
ComingtoKent · 15/07/2023 23:14

@Pixiedust1234 things sound very hard for you. Are you ok? If you're not able to reply here maybe you could pm me?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 15/07/2023 23:48

So a little story … and I say this as someone perfectly happy with my DH’s contributions to the household. We earn similar enough and he does more about the house than I do due to our work circumstances.

so we went to buy a lawnmower. As we were looking at the various models he wanted a very basic model. I wanted the self-propelled model. He was insisting on the basic model. I told him “To be clear if we buy this basic one. I will never mow the lawn. You own it”. He agreed and 10 years later I remind him on occasion that that the lawn needs mowed. And that is my total involvement. 10+ years later and I refuse to mow mow the lawn on principle.

When we went to buy a snowblower (needed for where I live). He was once again very sure we didn’t need an electric start. I reminded him of the lawnmower and said there would be times that I need to snowblow so his vote was overruled and we got the one with an electric start.

in other words…you apparently earn the money in this relationship….you get to make the rules (within reason). In other other words…buy the fucking dishwasher. And make him pony up more to the household maintenance.

Pixiedust1234 · 15/07/2023 23:56

ComingtoKent · 15/07/2023 23:14

@Pixiedust1234 things sound very hard for you. Are you ok? If you're not able to reply here maybe you could pm me?

No, I'm not but thank you for asking. I was in the same boat as OP last year where I wasn't in a bad marriage, he does try hard, he can be kind, I need to adjust my thinking, others have it worse, this is normal in a marriage, the kids think he's great so he's not all bad and then BAM!!

Right now my ducks are rowing but it's taking a while. I hope OP doesn't take as long as me to see what an awful marriage she is in.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 16/07/2023 07:54

Beenhereforever1978 · 15/07/2023 21:28

Whether you did decide in the end to down tools and stop working on it and whether it passed the MOT.

You crossed my mind today whilst I was trying to work out how to shove a dishwasher into a cupboard.

Do what I (DH) did, take the cupboard out.
My FIL was a tight arse: the comments about cutting your sons hair and making your own clothes reminded me of some of the things my DH said about his childhood. Like your H Op, his dad controlled the money, for what HE wanted, he was big on holidays: but their curtains had holes in, the kids slept in ex army beds, ex army wooden blankets on the beds, his dad also cut the kids hair and DH hated it, he was bullied at school over his hair.
He’d got worse as he aged, he cut and dye MILs hair, he bought a sewing machine to alter clothing he’d got from Charity shops. Some of the things he did staggered me. He wasn’t short of money at all, he spent it on what HE wanted, anything else went to the wall. His estate shocked us to the core. But your DH is worse than him!

Festoonedflurryfairy · 16/07/2023 08:49

AppelationStation · 15/07/2023 21:44

I think a dishwasher in a cupboard might be my next project.

Excellent next step!

You don’t need his permission op.

canina · 16/07/2023 08:52

Tell him you're getting a dishwasher and need to see the savings balance to proceed

CecilyP · 16/07/2023 09:07

Summerfun54321 · 13/07/2023 23:28

Is he tight with money or financially controlling?

Yes, Telling you to not buy this; not to buy that isn’t actually being good with money, it’s just words, if most of this stuff is necessary. He just sounds mean, especially as it’s your money. Next time he tells you it’s cheaper to make your own clothes; get him to cost this up because he doesn’t have a clue.

Im not sure he sounds like a bad person; he sounds like a child and your his mum!

Butchyrestingface · 16/07/2023 09:20

The rest stays in his account, which is where "our" savings apparently are. If anything is left in the joint account at the end of the month (and he is stringent about watching what we spend so as much as possible is left, although we arent well off so it often isnt much at all) that is also transfered into his account.

This is INSANE. Stop allowing this to happen. Keep the money you earn in your own account and stop transferring anything over the exact amount needed for bills into the joint account. You're simply gifting him money.

CecilyP · 16/07/2023 09:20

toomuchlaundry it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

Now that does sound financially abusive. Start you own savings account. But only put in sufficient not to leave you short.

CecilyP · 16/07/2023 09:24

Yeah and the first thing you can save for is that dishwasher!

And he really needs to tell you what’s in that savings account that you contribute so generously to. For practical purposes as much as anything.

CecilyP · 16/07/2023 09:51

Butchyrestingface · 16/07/2023 09:20

The rest stays in his account, which is where "our" savings apparently are. If anything is left in the joint account at the end of the month (and he is stringent about watching what we spend so as much as possible is left, although we arent well off so it often isnt much at all) that is also transfered into his account.

This is INSANE. Stop allowing this to happen. Keep the money you earn in your own account and stop transferring anything over the exact amount needed for bills into the joint account. You're simply gifting him money.

Yes this . You need to know everything. All the bills and what exactly is left each month. He’s convinced you he’s good with money and that you’re not but he actually sounds like a miser. You need go through the finances with a fine tooth comb. I’m actually curious about what is in ‘his’ savings account - the one you bankroll.

You shouldn’t have to live in this homespun way. You’re not the Waltons! You have 2 parents in full time work, one minimum wage, one on a better wage (just like millions of other families), you have just one child and a relatively low rent. Your child shouldn’t be going to school looking like the neglected one!

You definitely need to know what is in this savings account or just stop contributing and start your own account and put any savings there.

LouHey · 16/07/2023 15:02

This isn't a partnership. Having a family unit like this isn't great for anyone but your husband. Your young child will think this is normal and how a marriage should be. You deserve more. Your husband has made himself clear, he doesn't think your feelings matter. He's not going to stop being a Dad because you're not together. Time to put your own needs first for a change.

billy1966 · 16/07/2023 16:12

Pixiedust1234 · 15/07/2023 22:18

It sounds a lovely project, especially if it was in your own house.

It's something I'm dreaming of too as I've never been allowed one either. Not been allowed much really so I fully understand the emotional roller coaster you are on now your eyes have been slightly opened.

Get your paperwork sorted, speak to a solicitor regarding your rights, then and only then, decide on which option you want to go for.

So sorry to read things are hard for you @Pixiedust1234, will add you to my prayers💐

mejustmenothingtobe · 16/07/2023 16:46

I was in your position six years ago. I haven’t read all the thread (I will do tho) but I wanted to let you know that Mumsnet and I e save me and while I know it’s bad when everyone seems to be demanding yiu LTB what you are really seeing is what the ‘outside world’ see your relationship to be. They see it without the excuse, the belittling that finds down ur confidence, the forced sense of normality that make u keep quiet and soldier on. Their reaction shows you how abnormal your position is even if you can’t imagine it to be any different. I was married for 15 or so years a had know. Him since I was 18..I had no yardstick. But I now am married to a Wonder. I can be myself. I can say myrealthoughts. I am an equal. This type of relationship is possible but it’s so hard to imagine it when ur in a situation like this. Be brave and think of ur DC. Do you want your husband to be theirrole model? Exactly.

GarlicGrace · 16/07/2023 17:07

it’s bad when everyone seems to be demanding you LTB what you are really seeing is what the ‘outside world’ see your relationship to be. They see it without the excuse, the belittling that grinds down your confidence, the forced sense of normality

This is a really important comment, @mejustmenothingtobe. When you're inside a situation like this, it can feel as though everyone's just giving you another set of instructions & demands, conflicting with the ones you're already living under.

It's really not that, though. What you're seeing is, as you've said, dozens of strangers getting a glimpse into your daily life and going "This is not fair, reasonable or normal! You don't have to live like this." The amount of advice you may need to exit your predicament could vary, but the point is that posters are willing to hold your hand while you get to grips with it all.

I'm so pleased you're back in "normal land", free, loved and respected.

Morred · 16/07/2023 18:09

You can get good savings rates at the moment (better than you used to anyway) - open up an ISA for yourself. Get an open access one and then you can transfer any “spare” money you have into it instead of the joint account. Only put your contribution to the fixed bills into the joint account. You can pay for other stuff from your account or raid the ISA if you need to.

If your H is just tight he shouldn’t mind you doing this. Ask him what the interest rate is on the other “savings” account it - the one in his name. Maybe it makes sense to switch those savings to the higher interest account?? Counter this narrative that you’re the one who is rubbish with money. It’s not true.

Tell him that as you obviously disagree about what are “joint costs” apart from the bare bones of rent/mortgage, bills, insurance, etc. it makes sense for those to be what comes out of the joint account. If food isn’t a “joint” cost, he can buy his own meat pies and Fanta and you can feed you and your son.

It’ll still be unfair and he still won’t contribute adequately to raising his child, but you’ll build up a bit of savings instead of him stealing it.

teachermumjuggle · 16/07/2023 18:23

I put up with my ex husband being like this for about 6 years and just kept going. He decided last year that he didn't want to be married anymore as I am always in a bad mood and put the kids before him. Do something about it now....either counselling so he has to listen to you or he will just take you for granted. It is no life. It was my ex's decision ultimately but I wm so much happier on my own!

Pixiedust1234 · 16/07/2023 21:36

@billy1966 Thank you, I need all the help and prayers I can get Flowers I'm on the countdown to a solicitor's appointment .

@AppelationStation Now you've seen how outsiders see your relationship, has anything changed for you? Do you feel stronger, or even just heard? Please keep posting if only to vent a little.

mejustmenothingtobe · 17/07/2023 07:11

i hope the perspective check helps xxx bit of practical experience too…my ex took all our joint savings and put them into his personal account when I told him I wanted out (the first time. Unbelievably I went back to try again. So I really do understand how hard it is to go) my lawyer told me to freeze any other joint accounts so as to protect anything remaining. She also told me he was acting very typically. I didn’t believe her. I was wrong. If you have any joint accounts either transfer your share out or freeze them. I don’t think you can access his accounts but if possible get a list of all his accounts before you make a move so you can make sure you can find out where the
money is going. Once he knows you are leaving he may very well start hiding cash. I did not believe this was possible, that my dxh would never
be
so dodgy but I was so wrong. It’s the most expensive piece of legal advice i ignored.

Swishytwip · 19/07/2023 08:59

OP you describe him as 'kind', how so? Is he kind or is it more that he used to be?

Beenhereforever1978 · 28/07/2023 21:02

@AppelationStation I thought if you today because it is DONE!

It's a crappy old £40 dishwasher, and and it was a lot more complicated than I thought and needed an electrician BUT! I am now sitting here with it's rhythmic swooshy lilt in the background and I am content.

I hope you're doing OK.

To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?
zurala · 20/01/2024 13:15

@AppelationStation I stumbled across this thread today and wondered how you are?

MightyFishwife · 22/01/2024 09:48

Been thinking about you, OP, and hoping life getting better for you x

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