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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 05:52

Couple things:

Why, when you make a third of what he does at your job, do you say he makes "bugger all but it makes him happy"......then complain that your own job is in vol. sector so don't make much either, but it's very stressful......why don't you find a high paying job, then? Or one that's less stressful? Why do you begrudge him doing work he enjoys and makes 3X what yours does?

Is it really fair for you to say his job has "0 stress"? Even if he were to have said that to you--did he? Or are you assuming? Either way it couldn't possibly be true. Zero?

I am having great difficulty understanding what you are doing to this van that is his work van that will also be your vacation vehicle. Sanding? Woodwork? Painting? ?? You decided on this trip, and you decided you needed to spend hours perfecting something that doesn't have to be perfect. Maybe I'm just not understanding the whole van set-up.

On the household responsibilities and his forgetting the MOT I am completely in agreement, however I wouldn't go so far as to call him a criminal for having forgotten the MOT. Extremely irresponsible and reckless to drive without it, though.

Not taking his side, but also think you're being a bit hyper-critical.

mildlydispeptic · 14/07/2023 05:58

I think OP means she earns a third more than DP does.

SummerWhisper · 14/07/2023 06:00

You are projecting all of your good qualities onto him and accepting his gaslighting tactics about you.

You are not bad with money: he is financially abusive.

He controls you by conditioning you to do everything.

He isolated you when you were a new mum, probably too tired to think straight. He has continued to isolate you by making you do everything whilst he lives his best life with family money.

He has contempt for you and your son by refusing to share responsibility for him and all family and house tasks.

He takes your money as his savings so effectively stealing money away from you and your son and spending it on himself.

Your self-respect is zero, I'm so sorry, because every time you ask him to step up he puts you right back in the servant zone and you accept it without question.

This man is a nasty piece of work who has effectively enslaved you so that he only has to deal with his own needs. Your son is super happy at the crumbs of affection from him because even at his young age, he understands contempt. This is heartbreaking.

cuckyplunt · 14/07/2023 06:02

Well, buy a bloody dish washer for a start!

Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 06:03

Ok you said you make a third of what he does, then you said you make much more than he does. Does a third in the UK mean something different than a third in the US?

PandorasBoxers · 14/07/2023 06:03

Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 05:52

Couple things:

Why, when you make a third of what he does at your job, do you say he makes "bugger all but it makes him happy"......then complain that your own job is in vol. sector so don't make much either, but it's very stressful......why don't you find a high paying job, then? Or one that's less stressful? Why do you begrudge him doing work he enjoys and makes 3X what yours does?

Is it really fair for you to say his job has "0 stress"? Even if he were to have said that to you--did he? Or are you assuming? Either way it couldn't possibly be true. Zero?

I am having great difficulty understanding what you are doing to this van that is his work van that will also be your vacation vehicle. Sanding? Woodwork? Painting? ?? You decided on this trip, and you decided you needed to spend hours perfecting something that doesn't have to be perfect. Maybe I'm just not understanding the whole van set-up.

On the household responsibilities and his forgetting the MOT I am completely in agreement, however I wouldn't go so far as to call him a criminal for having forgotten the MOT. Extremely irresponsible and reckless to drive without it, though.

Not taking his side, but also think you're being a bit hyper-critical.

She earns a third more and the van is a camper van.

OP he is a parasite. He is teaching your child that you are worth less than him - you can run yourself ragged, you can be drained to nothing but he’s ok. And because you both keep on that path this is completely ok.

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 06:06

Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 06:03

Ok you said you make a third of what he does, then you said you make much more than he does. Does a third in the UK mean something different than a third in the US?

Rude.

StopStartStop · 14/07/2023 06:07

He's lazy.
He's not committed to your family life.
He doesn't care about the burden his laziness places on you.
Sack him.
Finish the van/holiday project then make your new personal project to free yourself of the parasite.

mildlydispeptic · 14/07/2023 06:08

cuckyplunt · 14/07/2023 06:02

Well, buy a bloody dish washer for a start!

My thought too, but from the sound of it OP would have to pay for it herself on top of everything else she's paying for. Not counting the aggro.

SummerWhisper · 14/07/2023 06:09

Don't do the MOT and don't finish the van. Please end your service to him.

Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 06:16

I have spoken too soon. I apologize. A married couple should both have access to the bank account. But on the other point, you really did say you make a third of his salary when you meant 3X which is quite different.

Larkslane · 14/07/2023 06:16

It sounds as though you could do with a holiday, a proper holiday.
A rest and a chance to consider your future.
Could you ditch the holiday in a van idea and spend sometime with your own family? Just you and your son.
Are they the type who would give you a bit of cosseting?
That’s what I would advise my daughter in law if my son was being such a selfish, uncaring, difficult being.
Give him a short, sharp shock and put yourself first for a change.
Good luck!

pippinsleftleg · 14/07/2023 06:18

Can you look around this weekend while he’s away for details of the savings account?

NeedleFeltedFox · 14/07/2023 06:19

Ihavehadenoughalready · 14/07/2023 06:16

I have spoken too soon. I apologize. A married couple should both have access to the bank account. But on the other point, you really did say you make a third of his salary when you meant 3X which is quite different.

She said a third of his wage again

gamerchick · 14/07/2023 06:21

Why do these posts always show up a financial abuser? Happens every time.

Bit boggled at what I've read OP. Kid besotted with a parent isn't a good thing. Points to a need not being met. If you stay with him your bairns going to end up a ball of anxiety trying to get that need met.

Time to plan. You want half the savings, when he refuses I think you'll see a bit more clearly about the shit situation you're in.

IncomingTraffic · 14/07/2023 06:24

Like others, I see no evidence of his supposed kindness. Is this just the story you’ve been telling yourself to avoid looking at the hard reality of a selfish, controlling, financially abusive, lazy husband?

When we are in bad situations, we often tell ourselves fictions about our husbands and partners because it is what keeps us going. You’ve seen through this to reality now and it’s not pretty.

This is a man who openly tells you he isn’t interested in even thinking about your needs. Remember that.

Remember how you’ve felt every time you’ve been in a shop with no access to money and having to beg him to transfer savings so you can buy something boring and practical.

It is OK to be angry about this. It’s good to be angry about it. Anger is probably what you need to make a change.

You don’t want your son growing up thinking this is how men should behave.

HoppingPavlova · 14/07/2023 06:24

it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

Why on earth did you ever agree to this batshit situation. Why on earth have you allowed it to continue given it’s clearly not working? Put an end to it.

All very well to say DH us financially abusive but it seems as though OP has been a willing participant (strangely) until now. Seriously, you say you earn 3x what he does so keep $ seperate and make your first purchase a dishwasher for goodness sake. He doesn’t need to use it if he chooses not to.

IncomingTraffic · 14/07/2023 06:27

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 00:27

I will inaugurate the dishwasher with a SINGLE SPOON IN YOUR HONOUR MY FRIEND!

Can you do the holiday by yourself? Do you want to do that?

Please do ceremoniously wash your single teaspoon. On the hottest setting!

Festoonedflurryfairy · 14/07/2023 06:28

Podcats · 13/07/2023 23:00

Or put your boy in the van you have been working on single handedly and bugger off on your holiday without him.

Yes. I was going to say this.

Leave a note saying “gone off to find someone who will care”.

Seriously though, I think what he said was unforgivably hurtful.

He sounds extremely immature and selfish and like someone who only cares about their own needs.

I’d be interested to know why or how all these decisions in his favour came about op : you living in his village, near his family and friends, him having a stress free job, him in charge of the savings etc.

And why the hell is it his decision whether you have a dishwasher or not? Especially when you op are carrying the bulk of the domestic work.

Sorry but this incident is your catalyst for change op.

Get him to read every response here!

Leave the laptop open on the kitchen table, open on this thread. Take the van and drive your dc to your parents and tell him your marriage is over. Very sadly, he is not going to change. It’s exhausting trying to change these men and a waste of your time and energy. Let him live his perfect life alone!

Sending solidarity and an unmumsnetty hug to you op. You deserve so much more. And your son needs a better role model than the one he has. Please please go and enjoy your holiday.

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 06:28

What on earth is wrong with people who cannot understand " one third more'?

bussteward · 14/07/2023 06:29

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 06:28

What on earth is wrong with people who cannot understand " one third more'?

And also harp on and on and on about their misunderstanding instead of the husband’s vile, abusive behaviour!

PimpMyFridge · 14/07/2023 06:29

It's like you're being farmed op. 😱
You put in so much more effort in the house, life, work, parenting.
While he gets to coast in those same areas, control your joint finances with stern gate-keeping (you and your wrong ways) and enjoy his time with friends and family to his preferred level... And he doesn't appreciate any of this nor care about the impact this imbalance may have on you (even says so!).
My blood ran cold when you said you had no access to your money and he leaves you without.

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 06:30

Don't show him this thread! That is terrible advice.

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 14/07/2023 06:33

Why do you choose to live like this? It's tragic. What are you teaching your child? Your entire life has been handed over to this man. The fact that you do everything shows your strength, why do you you allow every aspect of your being to be dictated to by another person? He lives exactly how he wants to live on the back of your hard work. I just cannot understand why you would sacrifice yourself like this.

GodessOfThunder · 14/07/2023 06:34

Sounds like the kind of man-child I’ve come across living in Cornwall a fair few times.

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