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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

423 replies

AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
12RedRoses · 14/07/2023 00:31

Bloody hell, of course he’s not going to change, he’s got the perfect life!

If you decide you want him if he changes, then stop doing everything and let him fail or ask him to move out for a month. How would you feel about holidaying in your own with your son? For him to realise what he’s missing, but realistically it sounds like the relationship is not repairable.
a few weeks with a lazy arshole in a van is not going to be a lovely holiday it will be hell.

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 00:32

A lot of us have been there, you're not alone and you're not an idiot for ending up where you've ended up.

You can vent, I'm sure people can suggest plans of attack (or retreat if required) or you can invoke the famous MN ducks protocol. We are at your service, and I personally have insomnia so you've got me on tap for a good half hour yet.

Pawpatrolsucks · 14/07/2023 00:33

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 00:30

I could. If it were just me, I'd do it in a flash. We've made a big deal of it being a family holiday. I do t know how I would explain to DS that Daddy isn't coming. It makes me cry.

Daddy wanted to see his friends. He might catch up with us later. It’s up to him. But we can have fun while we wait for him.

Codlingmoths · 14/07/2023 00:37

If you can manage the holiday by yourself then I would 10,000% do that, and tell him I am only ever holidaying with people who care about me and my child again. And you told me I needed to find other people if I wanted someone to care, so off I go.
the love would have suffered a fatal blow by now, so while it still might be in its death throes ‘I love him’ is effectively off the cards as a reason.
is he kind? Or does he just do what he wants and walk away from arguments? When does he put himself out for you at all? Not over a dishwasher, not over a weekend away, not over prepping for a much waited holiday, not over a single nights dishes… I’d be done. Ds can have his dad in fun bursts where his dad actually has to look after him and you can actually be single and pay for school shoes rather than feeling single and having to justify paying for school shoes then pay for them while everyone thinks you have a partner.

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 00:40

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 00:30

I could. If it were just me, I'd do it in a flash. We've made a big deal of it being a family holiday. I do t know how I would explain to DS that Daddy isn't coming. It makes me cry.

I've been there too, white lies are your friend here. Daddy had some things to do.

If it would make you sad to do the holiday in the van on your onesie (being as how it would feel like a representation of how pants everything is right now) then turn on your heel and do something else if you can afford to. Maybe visit your family if that works and is a happy option.

If your current husband prioritises "fun" van updates, I'd be amazed if it passes anyway.

Anskl · 14/07/2023 00:48

"I don't have the energy to listen to your needs all the time."

That alone told me everything I needed to know.

Sounds like he doesn't understand/care about the balance of give and take needed in a marriage.

How exhausting and frustrating for you, OP.

Ugh.

ButterflyOil · 14/07/2023 00:51

Well his actions don’t have consequences for him it seems. Only you, running yourself ragged for a man who clearly doesn’t give two shits about anyone other than himself and what life makes him happy.

You work your butt off and do the bulk of everything and he merrily uses that to facilitate living his ‘best life’.

Everything is set up for him. How did it get to this? Guess the boiling frog analogy is a good one.

I feel so sorry to read about your DS being ‘besotted’ with him. That’s not actually healthy you know. He’s not good at meeting his needs emotionally and does sweet FA for him in terms of the practicalities of parenting. Kids pick up on this. He’s not supposed to be a ‘best mate’ either, he’s supposed to be a father. To be blunt, it’s very likely your son clings to him emotionally with idolising him because he’s a shit dad who doesn’t really care to make any effort with his son other than being ‘fun’ as well as being a selfish husband who doesn’t care much about his wife.

LadyKX · 14/07/2023 00:54

AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 23:50

Thanks for being nice. I'm far from perfect and, like all other humans, can no doubt be a pain in the arse at times. I recognise I can be quite complicated, certainly but his standards. He seems to find me hard work. But I do graft and try to do my best.

Our life could be so much better, if he was braver and more responsive and alert to what other people (me, DS) need.

We've not had an easy run of it. I still think he's fundamentally a kind person, if a bit "path of least resistance". Maybe he could / would be different if life had taken a difderent course. Perhaps I'm finding it hard to let go of who I thought he was. It's really sad.

You’re being far too magnanimous here.
He’s a very selfish individual.
I am very cross on your behalf.
If I were you I’d
a) buy a dishwasher ASAP
b) see if I could cancel the current holiday and rebook a package flop holiday for you and DS only. FUCK H. (Only because driving round France doesn’t sound much like a holiday to me - but if you fancy, go right ahead - but defo minus the selfish cunty H)
c) leave him to reflect for a week and pick up the chores - wanker

WallaceinAnderland · 14/07/2023 00:55

I think you really need to step back and stop picking up the slack. Cannot believe you have been living like this for years. It sounds exhausting and miserable.

LadyKX · 14/07/2023 00:56

Bloody hell. I forgot about the going away this weekend. Unacceptable. Does he not understand he has responsibilities?
even more reason to piss off and leave him behind.

toomuchlaundry · 14/07/2023 00:59

If he is tight, what does he spend his money on, does it go in joint savings pot? Or does it go in his socialising with friends pot?

Geppili · 14/07/2023 01:03

I can't get past the fact that he refuses to have dishwasher!!'

Fraaahnces · 14/07/2023 01:07

Honestly, he doesn’t like or respect you, let alone appreciate what you bring to the family. He does fuck all parenting, let alone adulting. What kind of example are you giving your DS? That men live without accountability and women do the hard yards and are the “meanies who spoil menz funz?” Would you be on better pay closer to home and family? If it’s just you and DS, you don’t need such a big space. I am sure your quality of life would be better (with a dishwasher, for a start!) and you and DS would be happy. How much effort do you supposed DH would put into parenting DS if you move back home? He’d simply want to wheel him out for social occasions that make him look like Super Dad, but would farm him off to his DPs or be unavailable for visitation if Menz Funz was on the table. You need to get your shit together and see a solicitor.

billy1966 · 14/07/2023 01:12

OP, you sound like a really lovely woman but you definitely don't have any self esteem.

You couldn't possibly have and have given up so much, tolerated so much, and accepted so little from this unbelievably selfish man.

You bend yourself out of shape for a man who speaks to you like you are something on his shoe.

And unsurprisingly, he's also mean.

He really is the dregs.

It's really sad to read of lives like yours.

You will realise the truth one day, but sadly it will likely be too late.

Oh and he's not a good father.

He is a mean selfish father who cares primarily for himself.

He's really no prize.

You will likely realise that too some day.

You deserve so much better.

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 01:18

@toomuchlaundry it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

I come from a very working class background, where a cushion was a luxury and the kids came first. Nothing special, we never had holidays or big piles of gifts at Christmas etc. But money was for living in the now because that's what was necessary. As children we were nestly turned out because my parents wanted to make sure we didnt go without or look like we were struggling as they had done. DH is much more middle class than me. Spending on anything other than essentials is self indulgent because you always need to have something in the bank. He'd rather DS have tatty old clothes / home hair cuts / minimal stuff in favour of cash in the bank. We aren't flush, we have a dwindling few thousand in savings. His mentality isn't matched by our means (because he doesn't earn more than minimum wage and is happy to keep it that way because he likes his job).

OP posts:
biscuits777 · 14/07/2023 01:22

it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

You think your abusive husband is kind?

Guavafish1 · 14/07/2023 01:32

you should have a weekend with friends in the future. Really think about what you want

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 01:34

OP your last update indicates it's "duck protocol time"

coronation2023 · 14/07/2023 01:42

I suspect that if you lived on your own for a while you would wonder how you ever tolerated this treatment

Why does he get to save your money ? He isn't earning enough to support himself

Live the life you want to live

Raincloudpink · 14/07/2023 01:49

I'd leave him as he sounds so selfish and spoilt.

However if you stay, maybe try reading a book called Hold me Tight. It's a excellent book about relationships. If he's acting badly because he feels inadequacy or despair, there are ways to talk about that and find common ground. But he may largely just be an arse.

GarlicGrace · 14/07/2023 01:56

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 01:34

OP your last update indicates it's "duck protocol time"

This. Make sure you have all the "ducks" as well. A spouse who prioritises savings, is financially abusive, takes whatever he can get, and controls the family money is VERY likely to have a well-concealed backup fund.

Cindan · 14/07/2023 01:56

If you don’t have access to money then you are being financially abused.

Ohdofuckofdear · 14/07/2023 02:05

What a fucking arsehole he is and you sound like wonder woman, does he honestly not realize just how much you do already all on your own?

No wonder your fed up I'd be bloody shattered as well if I was you but can I ask something you've said about him going off with his friends throughout the year,do you get to do the same? If not that would be a good place to start so he can actually wake himself up and see just how much you do and just how much of what you do is what helps to keep his life going so smoothly,there has to be give and take in any good relationship(one of the reasons I divorced my feckless ex)mine and my DH(nothing like my ex)we always support one another and help each other out,it took me years to realize that's what a good marriage should be, it's a partnership,it should never be one person gliding along whilst the other poor bugger is drowning.

I hope you stand up to him and he gives his head a good shake.

aloris · 14/07/2023 02:11

You saved the most important part for last. Why are the savings in his name? That is probably a very bad idea from your perspective. A man who is tight is not going to let go of any of that money if you split up or even if there is a disagreement about whether something you need is really "needed."

montecarlo7 · 14/07/2023 02:14

OP, your original post and updates make me so angry on your behalf. You are being financially abused and bled dry in a variety of ways.

Your life would be so much better without him.

Your son would also benefit from having a mum who wasn't being financially abused and used. What is he learning about relationships from watching you both?

This is not a partnership. You are being used and you need to wake up.