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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
Justkeepingplatesspinning · 14/07/2023 16:15

@literalviolence that's how we do our savings too, except my DP has them and we have an ISA each. We look at bank stuff together and we each have our own as well as joint savings.
There's no secrecy and I think that's what is missing in OPs situation. That, and she is shoring up all the essential stuff and is left with less than peanut crumbs at the end of the month, while he's got unlimited pocket money for fun stuff. It feels very imbalanced.

Pansypotter123 · 14/07/2023 17:39

I see you mention school fees - and say your son could end up going to school in a uniform that is too small if you didn't buy new clothes.

Does your husband resent private education?

Mix56 · 14/07/2023 17:46

Probably, its not an essential expense

aloris · 14/07/2023 20:24

He may not be trying to cheat you out of your money, at least not consciously. He may simply be a very, very, very tight-fisted man. Here's the problem. If he was equally tight-fisted with himself as he is with you, this might work. But he's not. He spends money (and time) on his own leisure, going to weekends with his buddies, going drinking, going away several times each year, etc. It's just YOU with whom he's tight-fisted. In his mind, he may have rationalized this so thoroughly that he doesn't even see it (he'll hold every new pair of shoes you buy yourself as a comparison to the money he spends on his weekends with his buddies, because in his mind, he could cut your hair for free, so you getting a haircut at a salon, even the cheapest local salon, is money you've put towards your "leisure"), but actually that only makes it worse, not better, because it means that every tiny step you make him take towards treating you as an equal decently will feel like you just swam the English Channel.

There's, in my opinion, a big underlying issue of control here. He's the one who didn't want a dishwasher, so if he wants to deal with that by doing all the dishes by hand, he should feel free to do so. But imposing his rule on YOU when he makes dinner, shows that it's not about saving money, it's about control. He sets the rules, whether or not you agree, then you follow them, whether or not you agree (no dishwasher, son doesn't get haircuts unless done by mum or dad, no new shoes unless dad says, otherwise mum is being a spendthrift.) And he has trained you to have lower self-esteem because you began the thread by saying he's better with money than you are. No he's not. He just takes all your money away FOR HIMSELF. He's gaslighted you into thinking that you having no spending money (because when you put it in the joint account he takes for himself any money left over after bills are paid) is the same thing as him being better than you with money.

I would not necessarily say anything to him on vacation, because if he is actually trying to get your money then it will just alert him so he can move it where you can't find it. It might even be better if he didn't go on the vacation so you can think freely without having to worry about him. Use the peaceful time to take some long walks, think things over, let them percolate through your mind and soul. Think through how you can empower yourself to solve this problem. Don't just go for keeping the peace because eventually you'll find yourself a shadow of who you used to be.

When you come back, start taking steps to protect yourself. You can start with the steps that are least inflammatory, and that also you need to do privately so he can't cut your security out from under you: copy documents, put some of your pay into cash that you store in a hidden place so that you can get legal help if needed, that sort of thing. Once you are somewhat protected, you can then take some time to decide whether and how to talk about the problem with him.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 14/07/2023 20:28

Pansypotter123 · 14/07/2023 17:39

I see you mention school fees - and say your son could end up going to school in a uniform that is too small if you didn't buy new clothes.

Does your husband resent private education?

"after school fees"

I take that to mean after school clubs that state schools/academies do. There's nothing in any of her posts to suggest they use private education, and I doubt on their salaries they could afford to.

Pansypotter123 · 14/07/2023 20:37

@ReadingSoManyThreads of course. Reading quickly I read it as .....after (paying for) school fees etc....... 🙄

mathanxiety · 14/07/2023 21:27

I'm horrified for you and your son.

You're being financially and psychologically abused, and your son is being emotionally abused by this man.

Of course he's a saver - you're the one left to buy all the necessities. Don't hesitate to let this become public knowledge. Tell everyone you know he's too tight to buy a dishwasher and told you you should make your own clothes.

Don't mistake your son's attitude toward his father for adoration. He's desperate to get his needs met by him, and because he's a child, he hasn't given up on the hope that that can happen. He's being hurt daily.

Go on the holiday with the van half ready. When you come back see a solicitor. Make plans to move back to your friends and family.

mathanxiety · 14/07/2023 21:33

Do not pack one single item of clothing or anything else for your H.

And wrt my previous post, only go on holiday with the van if it's roadworthy.

If not, try to book a holiday just for you and DS at short notice, anywhere you can get to easily.

Neodymium · 14/07/2023 21:45

Are you sure all these sleepovers with friends and weekends away with friends are with friends and he isn’t seeing anyone else? Seems like he could be. Secret with money and not letting you see his account cause he is splashing out on another person. Has to go spend the weekend before he goes away with them as he won’t see them while on holiday.

either way how are all the weekends away and nights out funded?

id be very sus.

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 21:59

Just to clarify -

Absolutely not any private school fees. The very idea is hilarious given our income and his frugality.

His spending. He is tight with himself too. He enjoys it. All his clothes are charity shop buys. He only spends on work boots etc. When he goes away with his mates, they sleep in a bothy in the mountains and have a few tins. This makes a weekend away for me, in a cheap air bnb and a basic meal out with a friend, feel like an unecessary indulgence.

I don't think he's seeing anyone else. Bluntly, I don't think he could be arsed with the necessary admin.

OP posts:
ferntwist · 14/07/2023 22:14

He’s your classic middle class inverted snob. They are fucking insufferable.
How are you feeling, having had these responses? Hope it’s giving a bit of fire to your belly

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 22:53

Of course we all realise you might want to do little or nothing about it and just want to have a vent. It's Fair to say you have a lot of people routing for you OP. Don't brush that aside - it comes from collective experience and on the whole is very well meaning (even when it sounds instructive - myself included). I hope you manage to resolve this to a level you are content with, at the very least financially. Happy holidays OP.

peerie · 15/07/2023 12:19

Whatever you decide to do make sure you get a handle on those savings. Don't be so passive - it's your money too and you get a say in how it's spent.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/07/2023 13:45

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 21:59

Just to clarify -

Absolutely not any private school fees. The very idea is hilarious given our income and his frugality.

His spending. He is tight with himself too. He enjoys it. All his clothes are charity shop buys. He only spends on work boots etc. When he goes away with his mates, they sleep in a bothy in the mountains and have a few tins. This makes a weekend away for me, in a cheap air bnb and a basic meal out with a friend, feel like an unecessary indulgence.

I don't think he's seeing anyone else. Bluntly, I don't think he could be arsed with the necessary admin.

I don't think he's seeing anyone else. Bluntly, I don't think he could be arsed with the necessary admin.

Or the expense, I expect.

Most "other women" want to at least be taken out for a drink or a meal occasionally.

A cold meat pie and a can of Fanta is unlikely to cut it.

RobertsRadio · 15/07/2023 13:47

"A cold meat pie and a can of Fanta is unlikely to cut it." 🤣🤣

3BSHKATS · 15/07/2023 13:56

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/07/2023 13:45

I don't think he's seeing anyone else. Bluntly, I don't think he could be arsed with the necessary admin.

Or the expense, I expect.

Most "other women" want to at least be taken out for a drink or a meal occasionally.

A cold meat pie and a can of Fanta is unlikely to cut it.

Oh, you’d be surprised, I know of at least one who went halves on the hotel room to shag a married man. Imagine lowering yourself to that.

ArcticSkewer · 15/07/2023 14:37

RobertsRadio · 15/07/2023 13:47

"A cold meat pie and a can of Fanta is unlikely to cut it." 🤣🤣

and yet op even agreed to marry him

AppelationStation · 15/07/2023 20:42

Even I laughed at a cold meat pie and a can of Fanta. It's funny cos it's true.

It's amazing how romantic a cheese sandwich and a flask of tea in the rain can be when you're madly in love. When life is bills, work, and a war of attrition over who does the dishes, it apparently loses its charm. Who knew.

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 15/07/2023 21:03

Where’s the consequences op? None so far

Beenhereforever1978 · 15/07/2023 21:15

Shoxfordian · 15/07/2023 21:03

Where’s the consequences op? None so far

OP could well be very much still in the 'taking things in and venting stage'. She's not obliged to launch him immediately from a cannon and report back.

I am however vaguely curious about the van.

AppelationStation · 15/07/2023 21:24

@Beenhereforever1978, what are you curious about?

OP posts:
Beenhereforever1978 · 15/07/2023 21:28

Whether you did decide in the end to down tools and stop working on it and whether it passed the MOT.

You crossed my mind today whilst I was trying to work out how to shove a dishwasher into a cupboard.

AppelationStation · 15/07/2023 21:43

Ha! I didn't down tools, me and little'un worked like stink together, listened to music, had a laugh, and finished it. Its bloody lovely. FS is very proud of his efforts.

It's being MOTd next week, and if it fails it will make a lovely shed and I can live in it at the top of the garden.

OP posts:
AppelationStation · 15/07/2023 21:44

I think a dishwasher in a cupboard might be my next project.

OP posts:
Pixiedust1234 · 15/07/2023 22:18

AppelationStation · 15/07/2023 21:44

I think a dishwasher in a cupboard might be my next project.

It sounds a lovely project, especially if it was in your own house.

It's something I'm dreaming of too as I've never been allowed one either. Not been allowed much really so I fully understand the emotional roller coaster you are on now your eyes have been slightly opened.

Get your paperwork sorted, speak to a solicitor regarding your rights, then and only then, decide on which option you want to go for.

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