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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

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Icannot · 13/07/2023 23:53

He isn't better with money, he is financially abusive. You provide for your DC, because he refuses to. Good Dad's don't do that!

hummingbirdsinmygarden · 13/07/2023 23:54

I'm not sure I'd have been as polite as you about him saying he's going away for the weekend just before you go away on holiday - honestly, things like that need to be discussed and agreed together, preferably well in advance.

Likewise the dishwasher - he doesn't want one, you do. Why can't you buy one and then he can continue washing up in the sink? That way you both get what you want.

He should not get to call the shots on every aspect of your life - but it sounds like he does. You don't need to accept this, or live like this.

Jadebanditchillipepper · 13/07/2023 23:54

To be honest OP, I think two things would happen if you left him

  1. You would be financially better off
  2. Your life would be easier.

So your DC is besotted with him? He can still see him (if he can be bothered) and this gives you time top yourself.

What do you actually get out of your continued relationship with this manchild?
If you feel like it, go on holiday without him - you'll probably have a nicer time

Ihatepickingausername3 · 13/07/2023 23:54

His actions show you who he is. Listen to them. Go on holiday without him. When you come back I would LTB personally. I’m fact I did.

Ihatepickingausername3 · 13/07/2023 23:55

*in fact I did

SpringboksSocks · 13/07/2023 23:55

AngeloMysterioso · 13/07/2023 23:45

I was already thinking he sounded like a spoilt, selfish twat before I read

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

If my DH said something like that to me after I’d uprooted my entire life for him and done everything to facility his easy, happy life, he sure as hell wouldn’t be my DH much longer.

Exactly my thoughts

literalviolence · 13/07/2023 23:55

OP with kindness, you are enabling him. School shoes are expensive. Doesn't matter whether that shocks him. Your son needs shoes. Stop protecting him from that and other realities. Why did you sort the MOT? Why not leave it to him? I sort of know the answer I think. It's because he'd not manage it and your holiday would have to be cancelled? But you do it this time and he expects it next. Don't finish the van if he leaves the washing up to you. Don't rely on him to finish jobs when he doesn't. Take your DS in holiday with your family without him. You are making the path of least resistance the once which ia killing you. He won't change whilst you do that. He needs to feel consequences so he can grow up. And then, if he won't pay for half the school shoes....Ltb

Quartz2208 · 13/07/2023 23:57

Some of you posts sounds like you have been fed a narrative - he doesn’t go out much yet a few times a month he stays out overnight with friends and goes on multiple weekends away - that is a lot how often do you go out.

how can he listen to your needs all the time when he seems to meet none of them

FFSwhatisthis · 13/07/2023 23:57

@cestlavielife

what?

she's been doing up the camper van and made bookings for the camper van do you think she should Twat features behind. now sleep in her car???

@AppelationStation

im sorry he was so hurtful, that's really nasty, I couldn't get past that. I'd take DS & leave.

id use the break to (have fun with DS) plan my escape & future.

Pawpatrolsucks · 14/07/2023 00:02

I really think you do as everyone has suggested. Especially going away this weekend with ds and not get ready for the holiday. Use the time to think about what you want.

Remember you can leave if you want to. You aren’t stuck because you can’t afford to leave. Splitting up doesn’t have to be difficult for your child. You can share access, and not move too far away, at least not at first. Just think about it.

NoSquirrels · 14/07/2023 00:02

"find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Oof.

Yellowdays · 14/07/2023 00:03

Go on holiday alone and think about your future. He has a skivvy and he isn't willing to take responsibility.

Also he plainly thinks he's the boss, which is rich.

Soapyspuds · 14/07/2023 00:04

Sometime after you return from holiday spend a weekend away somewhere. Dont ask him. TELL HIM.

He will never change until he sees how hard you are working at this.

Grumpy101 · 14/07/2023 00:04

Fuck that. He's financially abusive, lazy and a shit partner. Your life would be easier, more enjoyable, and you'd have more money!

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 00:06

I was once with a man who didn't want a dishwasher because they were "frivolous and expensive and 'I' (you) am perfectly capable of washing up by hand".

I also worked my arse off whilst he 'managed the money'.

It then went to him having an argument with the gas company, refusing to pay them, and us getting cut off. He was perfectly content, slightly evangelical even, about the fact that we could fill the washing up bowl from the electric shower (the children would also have to do this) and carry it to the kitchen to wash up. Repeat.

I'm in my own flat now, with my son, and I've just bought a second hand dishwasher for £40, I will plumb it in myself and I will wash ONE FUCKING PLATE BY ITSELF IF I WANT TO!

There are many issues here. But the dishwasher really clanged on a nerve for me.

Mirabai · 14/07/2023 00:06

What a disappointment he turned out to be. An entitled disappointment to boot.

cruisingabout · 14/07/2023 00:09

Why are women in this (supposedly) civilised country kept being taught to put up with selfish heartless men, and being told that bending over backwards means love?? Some posts on here are shocking!!

I’m not judging these women, but they were clearly taught the wrong idea about what is love and what is abuse, probably intentionally.

Guavafish1 · 14/07/2023 00:13

I don't think you should give up just yet.

Sound like a serious communication issue and build up of resentment.

It might be a good idea to holiday just you and your son to see how it goes? Also some time and space to evaluate.

Seems like you've made your husband life comfortable to the detriment of your own.

You need time to think, reevaluate and actually see what you want to change. These needs need to be communicated and assessed.

It's sad when the relationship is lost to 'life'.

StartupRepair · 14/07/2023 00:14

He is not your friend. It will not get better. Show DS that it is better to live on your own than in an abusive relationship.

Iknowthis1 · 14/07/2023 00:21

Do you want your son to grow up thinking this is how to behave?

Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 00:22

cruisingabout · 14/07/2023 00:09

Why are women in this (supposedly) civilised country kept being taught to put up with selfish heartless men, and being told that bending over backwards means love?? Some posts on here are shocking!!

I’m not judging these women, but they were clearly taught the wrong idea about what is love and what is abuse, probably intentionally.

Boiling frog. In many cases it's as simple as that, we're not "taught to bend over backwards" from the offset, it's incremental change.

You just think 'that was odd behaviour, perhaps this person who is usually fine is having a bad day and I should, as a reasonable person, be compassionate' and then there is another thing, and another, but by this point you are questioning whether you really are being objective or just self-centred.

You weigh up whether to keep the peace or be a "nag", you worry about sunk costs of time, effort and finances, the effect on the children of there are any, of not maintaining harmony and working at the relationship.

Then you wake up one day with no dishwasher and a van which may or may not be a deathtrap, and you come to mumsnet for some perspective.

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 00:24

@Beenhereforever1978 GO YOU!!! Run a cycle for me please.

@Iknowthis1 No.

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AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 00:27

@Beenhereforever1978 Jeez, thats a cold and accurate summary. There's a lesson.

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Beenhereforever1978 · 14/07/2023 00:27

I will inaugurate the dishwasher with a SINGLE SPOON IN YOUR HONOUR MY FRIEND!

Can you do the holiday by yourself? Do you want to do that?

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 00:30

I could. If it were just me, I'd do it in a flash. We've made a big deal of it being a family holiday. I do t know how I would explain to DS that Daddy isn't coming. It makes me cry.

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