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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
SunRainStorm · 14/07/2023 12:04

BravoMyDear · 14/07/2023 11:53

"I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care"

Brutal. I couldn’t come back from those comments.

Sounds like permission to have an affair, frankly.

ChristinaAlber · 14/07/2023 12:04

OK, I hear you all on the dishwasher, so make him understand they're a way cheaper investment long term than washing by hand.

But I also hear he is a selfish tightwad and A LOT of work needs to be done in order to turn this around. Really feel for you OP and wish you all the best

Atethehalloweenchocs · 14/07/2023 12:08

I think the previous post suggesting therapy is a good one. And think this should be couples therapy (even if he does not come with you, this would give you a place to explore your options). I think his reaction if you tell him you want to do this will be really important - as PP has said, I'd guess it wont be shock and horror that he has been so thoughtless, but rather anger at you for disrupting his cushy existence. But you would know. I have to say, when people say someone is kind, its a bit of a red flag to me - words and actions define kindness, and there is not much of this on display from him. I am sorry. I hope you can work out a way to feel better, whatever you decide.

Glitterati308 · 14/07/2023 12:12

You seem like the best person ever for advice. Surely there's more to the story maybe another side? Before you give opinions that could affect a child's life.

TheaBrandt · 14/07/2023 12:16

Concur with everyone else especially Applestation.

I would rethink the driving “holiday” too. We drove last year through France to Italy. Never again. It’s boring stressful and very very hot ant this time of year and we have teens who were fine about sitting in the car hour after hour - it will be crap for a lively young lad. Get the train somewhere nice in northern France (honfleur is gorgeous) and stay there. Without him preferably.

YouJustDoYou · 14/07/2023 12:24

He is in for a massive life shock when his live in maid/cook/nanny gets fed up enough of being treated like shit and disrespected.

Also, love how he;s a spendthrift when it comes to his own child, but is happy to spend it on HIMSELF on multiple holidays with his other stupid man friends. Selfish prick.

RandomMess · 14/07/2023 12:25

Yep sort finances and free time out. You get 50% of the joint savings in your name. I am so angry on your behalf.

Be as rigid as him about resolving the finances and free time. He will fight it hard and possibly say some very horrible things to get you to back down. Rise above it and stay calm.

Ask him as he not seen the COL crises etc that ALL family COSTS need to be shared from one account and if there isn't enough £ he needs to either earn more or spend less. How much is he spending on himself! That's should be equal including your DS.

Order the dishwasher and tell him it's the very least for him to make up for how much more he spends on himself of leisure whilst you and DS only get the basics.

canina · 14/07/2023 12:26

SunRainStorm · 14/07/2023 12:04

Sounds like permission to have an affair, frankly.

These are my thoughts too - do you think he might have his eye on someone?

Scyla · 14/07/2023 12:30

That was my thoughts, he could already have someone as he spends a few nights away a month and weekends away too.

And a very private bank account.

Saying find someone to talk to that cares was very revealing. Has he done that already?

HelloTreacle9 · 14/07/2023 12:34

This is a chilling story, especially the financial situation, and I really hope you can get some headspace soon to work out what you want and need to do, OP.

But something about the brutality of your H's comment, "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care," jumped out at me as maybe some projection. I know this is MN and I don't want to leap to "affair" but perhaps he himself has found someone else himself to offload to who is not under the same intolerable pressures as you are. That's quite a lot of 'boys weekends away' and sleepovers for a married dad, and he sounds like he's checked out of anything resembling a loving partnership with you.

Scyla · 14/07/2023 12:39

Where is he going this weekend?

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 14/07/2023 12:51

It worries me that he is controlling your finances and you have no access or clue how much is in savings etc. If you did need to leave, he has effectively hidden away what could be thousands and you don't seem to have much at all, if anything, left in an account you have access to.
Please get some advice from women's aid about the financial abuse that you're experiencing. It's not right and he's brainwashed you into thinking that it is.

porridgecake · 14/07/2023 13:03

TheaBrandt · 14/07/2023 12:16

Concur with everyone else especially Applestation.

I would rethink the driving “holiday” too. We drove last year through France to Italy. Never again. It’s boring stressful and very very hot ant this time of year and we have teens who were fine about sitting in the car hour after hour - it will be crap for a lively young lad. Get the train somewhere nice in northern France (honfleur is gorgeous) and stay there. Without him preferably.

I agree with this.
OP, can you change the holiday at all?
If the van doesn't pass its MOT you really need a plan B.
I am so sorry you are in this situation, especially if you have paid for everything.

Beautiful3 · 14/07/2023 13:06

So you're both working full time but he does nothing around the house, apart from occasional meals?! Then tells you to wash up?! And he goes away for weekends with his mates! I'd actually be planning to leave him. What does he actually do for you? Life sounds miserable for you, truly.

apostrophewoman · 14/07/2023 13:20

I would stop any money from my account going into the joint account until there is full and frank disclosure of the contents of the savings account. If he has that much money squirrelled away, then he can cover the cost of all the bills/rent, etc, from the savings. Don't give him any more of your money, OP, until you've seen evidence of how much money you have together and it's either a joint account, or he transfers half to you. Failure to disclose means that he pays everything until he tells you what you have every right to know. In the meantime, you have ALL your own money to start building your own savings.

What's he going to do? You're not in the wrong here.

Anklespraying · 14/07/2023 13:27

Setting off on a driving holiday with someone who makes you pay for petrol is a bit worrying.

That could end up in uncomfortable arguments in a tiny van.

That's probably going to need sorting out before hand.

Where's the money for day to day costs on the trip coming from.

Especially at the end of the month before payday.

So worrying!

horseyhorsey17 · 14/07/2023 13:34

Superdupes · 14/07/2023 09:07

I don't understand why savings would be in his name only, everyone's crying financial abuse but was this agreed between you because you're not good with money? You say there's a dwindling few thousand in the savings so it really doesn't sound like he's that tight and saving up hundreds of thousands - just wants a bit put aside just in case.

I don't understand why you would plan a holiday in a van that isn't completely ready yet and that you're having to spend all evening working on everyday, I don't understand why you would plan such a complicated holiday travelling all over when it sounds like it's just lots of added stress that you don't want.

It feels like he loves his nice easy life and you're making your life really, really stressful and now you're angry that he doesn't want to be part of the stress. Does he want this holiday or is it all you? Is he happy with just the odd weekend out with friends and not going anywhere much and you're pissed off that he doesn't want what you want?

I think you're just very, very different people.

It's only her money going into the savings, which she doesn't have access to. She has to ask him for money - which he won't give her for things like the kids' shoes (!) - yet he can spend the savings she's saved whenever he likes. And he's going away with his mates so is doing just that.

Please stop this arrangement, OP. It's insane that he gets to work in a low stress, low paid job and you top him up with all the cash he needs from your more highly-paid, stressful job while keeping nothing for yourself. And yet you're the one who's called 'bad with money.' This is NUTS.

Trenda · 14/07/2023 13:49

IncomingTraffic · 14/07/2023 06:47

All very well to say DH us financially abusive but it seems as though OP has been a willing participant (strangely) until now.

It never starts like this.

It starts with (years) of drip feeding the narrative that you are useless and irresponsible with money. Your working class background has given you frivolous and bad attitudes. You can’t be trusted to look after money.

Unlike him. He’s got the right kind of background and can be trusted. He’s a ‘saver’ not a profligate ‘spender’.

So, of course, you recognise the need for him to look after the savings. In fact, they’re his savings because he saves his salary. He doesn’t just spend it like you do with yours.

The fact you’re spending all your money on the family and buying things like school shoes - while he fucks off on weekends away with friends - is irrelevant. You demonstrate repeatedly that you are incapable of managing money because you have to ask for money from the savings regularly. Your irresponsibility is undermining financial stability, you know.

And, eventually, you’re a thoroughly boiled frog.

Let’s stop telling women in these situations that they made their own bed/caused their own problem.

Is this an analogy for the country vs The Torys? 🤔

literalviolence · 14/07/2023 14:03

OP I've read your updates and I feel really worried for you. Your OH is abusive. Not just financially but emotionally. When you try and make changes, he will up the attempts to belittle you and convince you of your inferiority and need to bow to his superior 'managing' of money. In reality, he's stealing from you. Please do keep talking to us as you try and stop him being able to treat you like this. We may be able to help you keep making sense of the psychological manipulation he's been doing.

For context, our joint savings have largely been in my name (old accounts which had pennies in so it was easy to siphon things into them to save up for hols etc) and I manage our finances. But over the years I've shown DH the accounts and asked whether he wants me to make them joint accounts. He's never been bothered. We just moved to a different account with a new bank and when I set that up it was just as easy to make it joint, so the money is all in joint account now. That's normal (as well as other ways of one person managing the money). What your OH is doing is not normal. It's not right to hide people's own money from them and make unilateral decisions about shared finances. It's not right to not share the costs of a buying shoes and essential clothes for a child.

whynotwhatknot · 14/07/2023 14:06

He doesnt care youve said so yourself

he takes money your money and put it into his account-yes ina divorce you would get half but why are you not allowed to see it now-and why are you having to ask for it when purchasing stuff

a good dad doesnt make his child wear old ragged clothes and shoes

bunchofboys · 14/07/2023 14:23

What is his dads relationship like with his mum? Sounds like you are responsible for everything. What a turn off.

3BSHKATS · 14/07/2023 14:50

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:50

@3BSHKATS not being funny, but I don't need to say so actually. I don't need to make decisions about my life according to your timetable.

At the moment, I don't know what I'll do. Lots of useful suggestions. It's appreciated.

I think Ducks protocol, drop slaving on dud van, try to get as much out of my holiday as I can, use it to get some energy to calmly make changes when we get back. Expect to have to leave if those changes cause ructions. Again, Ducks.

@AppelationStation not being funny , but you’ll get two very different sets of advice depending on what you want from this. I appreciate it might take a while for clarity of thought to kick in, but the sooner that happens. The better the outcome will be for you, one way or the other. Nobody should be influencing you either way. Hopefully nobody’s that invested.

Mix56 · 14/07/2023 14:57

You know the question often posed here? "What would you say/do if this was your daughter?" it's that simple.

As from your next pay check, you should not put your salary into the normal account. he will notice & immediately start questioning this.
You should say you are putting half the rent/elec/bill estimate in & the rest you are keeping. exactly as he has been doing. (This may mean creating a new bank account & providing bank info at your work.)
You say you want to see the bank statement for the savings account "Now", not later, not be brushed off with his anger or excuses. After all, the money in it was made by you. He can instantly bring it up on his phone.
If he refuses.
You say that this is the end. & mean it.
Meanwhile for the holiday, he works less than you, he can go & sand & paint in the evenings to finish off the work before the holiday. what excuse does he have not to ?
Also, Who is paying the petrol, the toll roads, food, ice creams ? He will have to put his hand in his pocket, tell him before leaving...

Clytemnestra21 · 14/07/2023 15:29

@cruisingabout what a kind message!

DemelzaandRoss · 14/07/2023 15:34

No words other than…. do not continue like this.
Either he changes or you separate. That’s it.