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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:37

(Although, of course, the insurance is invalid without an MOT, so he's been driving uninsured for an age).

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 14/07/2023 10:37

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 01:18

@toomuchlaundry it goes into the savings pot, which happens to be in his name. I have no sight of "our" savings, and no access to them. If we need to use them for something, I have to ask him to transfer the money. I've often been left without any money to pay for things in a shop, while he has thousands in "our" savings In his bank account

I come from a very working class background, where a cushion was a luxury and the kids came first. Nothing special, we never had holidays or big piles of gifts at Christmas etc. But money was for living in the now because that's what was necessary. As children we were nestly turned out because my parents wanted to make sure we didnt go without or look like we were struggling as they had done. DH is much more middle class than me. Spending on anything other than essentials is self indulgent because you always need to have something in the bank. He'd rather DS have tatty old clothes / home hair cuts / minimal stuff in favour of cash in the bank. We aren't flush, we have a dwindling few thousand in savings. His mentality isn't matched by our means (because he doesn't earn more than minimum wage and is happy to keep it that way because he likes his job).

LEGAL ADVICE ASAP

That savings pot is half yours. It's only there because you have to pay for everything!! I bet you'll be thoroughly shocked when you find out how much is in there.

Do you have equal 'free money'? How does he fund his social life?

Do you own your house? Is there equity?

I see financial abuse here even if you are the higher earner.

CrackerAndPudding · 14/07/2023 10:38

I cant believe he's suggesting you make your own clothes and pushing back on buying decent footwear for your child and then presenting that as him being good with money/you being frivolous.

Of course he loves his nice easy lifestyle while you shoulder the financial burden of making ends meet (whilst he accumulates your spare income for his own), the bulk of parenting and the running of the household. His nice easy lifestyle comes at the expense of your effort and resources.

I'd ask to be added to the savings account, start gathering and copying as much paperwork as possible on finances and speak to a solicitor ASAP.

Caroparo52 · 14/07/2023 10:38

I'm sorry to read this.
Sounds shitty.
You've realised what your reality looks like and it ain't great.
Time to re evaluate your needs and expectations.
DH has his down to a tee.
Start putting yourself first. Maybe big changes are due.
Good Luck

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 10:38

So transfer less and make him pay more. Set up your own savings. Anything that is not essential just stop covering and tell him he has to. Tell him you don't know how it happened but you've just realised you don't have the same opportunities as he does so you are addressing the balance. If he won't put up his share you have your answer

Nanny0gg · 14/07/2023 10:40

user1492757084 · 14/07/2023 03:27

There are super fractious times in every one's life.

Your family is long in need of this holiday.
You also need to re assess family responsibilities long term - not in an accusing way but in a way that is a restructure.
Calm yourself as no good decision ever comes from tired, angry thoughts.
Once DH is back from the weekend he will be refreshed enough to look at a joint list to reach blast off to holiday.

Use the holiday to rest (work out a fair share of the chores load) and have a lovely time that reaffirms the value of your family.

After the holiday stop doing so much and divide the tasks up more fairly. Resist doing husband's jobs. Don't moan, comment etc. just let him cope with the fall out and fix it.

When husband pencils in a weekend away you pencil one in the same month.
Agree to more weekends at your parents' home together.
Adjust your work so that you have more time off.
Things have to change for you to be happier.

FGS

You actually think that a man that treats his wife in this manner will agree to ANY of that?

He's never done it, he doesn't want to do it and he is never going to change. Even if she leaves him

He is abusive. He's charming about it but he's abusive

3BSHKATS · 14/07/2023 10:41

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:35

Pretty much this.

My wages actually get paid into my account. I transfer the vast majority of it, immediately, into the joint account which covers all bills, food shopping, etc. I keep a tiny bit back "for myself" but in reality it ends up getting spent on DS / any family activities because otherwise DS would be living in too small clothes and going to school with holes in his shoes.

DHs wages get paid into his account, and he transfers as little as he can get away with into the joint account for bills etc too. The rest stays in his account, which is where "our" savings apparently are. If anything is left in the joint account at the end of the month (and he is stringent about watching what we spend so as much as possible is left, although we arent well off so it often isnt much at all) that is also transfered into his account. This is often done on the pretext that we have spent too much on non essentials and he needs to top up the savings otherwise there'd be nothing left.

It has ended up in a cycle of me paying for all DSs stuff so DH doesn't moan about it, meaning I have no money of my own or cushion, so we're low at the end of the month, so he transfers a bit in to the JA, and then transfers that and a bit more out again to balance it out... Its confusing. I've tried to say we should just put it all in the joint account or joint ISA or something so it's more transparent, but it never happens.

I am one boiled frog.

This stops immediately.
but are you going to leave him? If you are people will spend a great deal of time helping you and supporting you step by step through the process how to get out of this situation.
If you’re not, you need to say so

Anklespraying · 14/07/2023 10:42

he transfers a bit in to the JA, and then transfers that and a bit more out again to balance it out. It's confusing

He's taking your money out of the joint account and putting it into his own current account.

That's not saving. He is taking your money.

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 10:44

At least you have realised you are living in a dictatorship OP. You can make changes and take steps to get free. You don't have to do it all right now today. Read what's available on women's aid and check out the leaving safely stuff when you are ready. He is not going to like not being president anymore.

Neodymium · 14/07/2023 10:46

Ask him to show you the balance. If he refuses then you know exactly where you stand. If it’s joint savings there is no reason to hide it.

NoSquirrels · 14/07/2023 10:47

My wages actually get paid into my account. I transfer the vast majority of it, immediately, into the joint account which covers all bills, food shopping, etc. I keep a tiny bit back "for myself" but in reality it ends up getting spent on DS / any family activities because otherwise DS would be living in too small clothes and going to school with holes in his shoes.
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DHs wages get paid into his account, and he transfers as little as he can get away with into the joint account for bills etc too.

Stop doing this immediately.

The joint account is now fixed bills only. You can contribute 50-50 on this.

Set up a different account for food shopping. You can contribute 50-50 on this too.

Then keep the rest of your own money. If you spend it on DS anyway, then you’re no worse off and at least he’s not stealing from you. Set up your own savings account.

Fight fire with fire.

Anklespraying · 14/07/2023 10:48

If anything is left in the joint account at the end of the month (and he is stringent about watching what we spend so as much as possible is left, although we arent well off so it often isnt much at all) that is also transfered into his account.

Log into your account on line and download a year of transactions.

Add up all his transfers in and all his transfers out.

See what it comes to.

DNLove · 14/07/2023 10:48

Run, run, run. He is financially gaslighting and controlling you. You are his cash cow and he pretends to be doing it cause you're bad with money. In reality you're bloody amazing with money given you can stretch what little he leaves you with to provide for your child properly.
Basically your living in his minimum wage and struggling while he's living on your earnings and having a great time.

ukgot2pot · 14/07/2023 10:49

@AppelationStation - Is it fair to say you pay for basically everything?

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:50

@3BSHKATS not being funny, but I don't need to say so actually. I don't need to make decisions about my life according to your timetable.

At the moment, I don't know what I'll do. Lots of useful suggestions. It's appreciated.

I think Ducks protocol, drop slaving on dud van, try to get as much out of my holiday as I can, use it to get some energy to calmly make changes when we get back. Expect to have to leave if those changes cause ructions. Again, Ducks.

OP posts:
StellaAndCrow · 14/07/2023 10:51

AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 23:23

There are three big complicating factors:

  1. Although he earns much less than I do (it wasn't like that when DS was v tiny and I was at home), he's better with money than I am. He is a saver. Actually, he's tight. I have bought school shoes, uniform, kids clothes, my own clothes, cosmetics etc out of mwy own money for years because he would bawk at how much things are. Decent school shoes are a rip off. Anything over 3.99 for a moisturiser is a waste of money. I could make my own clothes for less, etc. I've suggested over the years that he could choose a more lucrative career, but he would rather we "cut our cloth". As a consequence, the narrative has somehow become that he's the responsible one, and I am a) emotional b) frivolous and c) materialistic.
  1. DS is absolutely besotted with him. He's a very fun dad. DS is an only (not by choice) and DH is his best mate (although he's not great at meeting DSs emotional needs, and I suspect as DS gets older this will become apparent to him and affect their relationship). It would break my heart to break up our family unit as DS sees it. If I moved to somewhere I had any ties to and DS came with me, I'd be taking him hours away from his beloved dad.
  1. I love him. Or at least, I did. I really, really did. It's hard to love someone when they have no respect for you. My self respect has been hard won and I'm sad it's not shared.

If you did split, then your DS could have half the week/weekends or whatever you decide
having DH to himself.

I'd be interested to see how much of a "fun dad" he is when he's also taking on the caring and his share of responsibilities . . .

Copperoliverbear · 14/07/2023 10:51

I'd ask him to leave he's very very selfish and lazy, I'd also be ordering a dishwasher, about he refuses to have one, with as little as he does he doesn't get the right to call the shots.
If you don't want to leave him, I'd certainly be going on holiday on my own, I'd leave the day before when he was out and leave a note on the table.
See you when I get back

Peachy2005 · 14/07/2023 10:52

This is shocking!

Set up your own savings account and tell him you want half the savings transferred.

If he refuses to even show you the balance, you probably need legal advice.

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:52

I don't pay for everything. DHs wages cover the rent (quite low because of where we are) and some unity DDs. My wages pay all other DDs/insurances, food, petrol, after school fees, repairs, vets etc.

OP posts:
ClawedButler · 14/07/2023 10:55

What an arse.

Any father who'd rather see his son go to school in last year's worn-out uniform than dip into his precious horde of cash wants a bloody wake-up call if you ask me.

But you're right, you don't have to make any decisions now. Sometimes it takes a while to ingest all the different perspectives you get on here and work out what the right way forward is for you and your DS.

PimpMyFridge · 14/07/2023 10:55

Peachy2005 · 14/07/2023 10:52

This is shocking!

Set up your own savings account and tell him you want half the savings transferred.

If he refuses to even show you the balance, you probably need legal advice.

This is good advice

Anklespraying · 14/07/2023 10:56

Getting all the family budget in a spreadsheet is helpful.

You can then see clearly if the proportion each are paying is shared out according to income.

NoSquirrels · 14/07/2023 10:57

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:52

I don't pay for everything. DHs wages cover the rent (quite low because of where we are) and some unity DDs. My wages pay all other DDs/insurances, food, petrol, after school fees, repairs, vets etc.

All the variable costs. Which is how women get shafted so often.

50-50 on total household costs.
50-50 on bills.

OR

All money in a joint account and equal discretionary spending money, equal access to savings.

He can choose, but either way he’ll be less well off and you’ll be better off.

Shade17 · 14/07/2023 10:59

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:37

(Although, of course, the insurance is invalid without an MOT, so he's been driving uninsured for an age).

Not necessarily, that depends on your policy wording.

Wheresthebeach · 14/07/2023 11:00

Def get half the savings transferred now to an account in your name. All savings shared 50/50. See a lawyer when you get home and look into everything. He can still be a great Dad if divorced. This isn't about you 'breaking up the family' its about a financially and emotionally abusive relationship being ended. You are doing your son a favour - this will only get worse in time, and you will be more run down and emotionally spent. That isn't good for your son.

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