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To think DHs actions have (big) consequences?

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AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 22:48

Married for 8 years, together for 11. 1ds, 7. We relocated from London to DHs v rural home village when DS was tiny.

DH has life almost exactly the way he wants it. Back in his place of birth, surrounded by familiarity and what he holds dear. Parents and old friends just up the road. Does his dream job, which earns bugger all but makes him happy. Physically demanding and early starts (leaves at 7.15am) but 0 stress. Doesn't go out much admittedly (nowhere to go nearby to be fair), but meets up with friends a few times a month, usually involving staying over at a friends house (no public transport so a couple of pints means can't get home). Goes on weekends away walking with old school mates 3 or 4 times a year. Does minimal housework / life admin / mental load when nagged but does do laundry and occasionally cleans when asked. He's gentle, polite, but also not particularly affectionate or emotionally articulate.

I work 40+ hours a week in a rewarding but highly stressful job. I earn a third of his wage again, but vol sector so still not big bucks. I do all the life admin, school runs, arranging appointments for us all + dog, almost 100% of cooking, organising childcare for summer hols, yada yada. I live hundreds of miles from family and old friend. I've actively tried to make new friends but rurality / young child / pandemic / work makes it hard. Life feels pretty thankless and joyless sometimes (accepting DS, who is a delight).

We are about to go away on our first foreign holiday in 8 years. I've paid for it, organised it. We're touring France in our van so quite a lot of organising - not a straight forward package hol. DH has been doing up the camper, slowly, for months. Peaks of activity when I've pushed but otherwise slow progress. He finished the "fun" bits last month so I've been doing all the details - finishing off woodwork, sanding, priming, painting, curtains, bedding. I've been getting up at 6.30, walking the dog, doing the school run, working all day and doing the van all evening until 11pm.

The other day I did this for the fourth day on the trot. He had had the day off (felt rough) and cooked that night. When I got in from working outside the dishes were waiting for me. I raised an eyebrow. "I cooked. You do the dishes. That's the rule". It's true, he refuses to have a dishwasher so, after I pick DS up, come in and cook, he usually does the dishes.

Today I discovered that van (his van, in his name, he uses for work. I have my own car for work) has had no MOT since April. He forgot. That's illegal. His work isn't office based so who had to organise an emergency MOT? You guessed it. He has decided, against my strongly expressed wishes, to keep driving it for the few days in the meantime. Irresponsible, selfish (criminal) arse.

He has decided to go away this weekend with his mates. We leave for our supposed family holiday (assuming the van passes its MOT) a week tomorrow. I now have to work, finish the van and look after DS single handed over the weekend, and prepare for our holiday. At the same time, my work is reaching its apex in getting a project off the ground. I have three new staff starting the week after we get back. It feels like a lot.

I politely, and then slightly less politely, articulated this. I said I'm already holding a lot, and DH being absent the weekend before we go away when there's so much to do is unfair and unhelpful. I've been told I'm being dramatic, he doesn't see the problem and its "not that hard".

He also said "I dont have the energy to listen to your needs all the time", and I need to "find someone else to offload to who has the energy to care".

Fine. It feels like a slap in the face and the last straw. I'd quite like to go on holiday without him now tbh. Am I being unreasonable to think I can find someone who "cares" about me, my life, all of this, but that might have consequences for our marriage?

And how the hell do I get through this long awaited, hard worked for "holiday"?

OP posts:
LadyBirdsLoveEm · 14/07/2023 10:06

I'm reading this horrified.

Emotional and financial abuse. Controlling. Isolated your from your own support network while he's slap bang in the centre of his.

What would you say if this was your own adult child or best friend posting all this? 😔 I feel really sad for you. You deserve better. So does your son.

While he's away this weekend (because he is going to go, he's a selfish tosser) THINK about what life COULD be like for you. Nice school shoes for ds. A dishwasher for you. Less mental load for you and less shit work/wife work.

This isn't sustainable. Women in your stituation die younger than women that are single or in a healthy relationship. Because it takes a toll on your wellbeing. You're literally slowly killing yourself living like this, just like the boiled frog. 😔

Also, you're not shit with money wanting to buy school shoes and to pay someone to cut your child's hair FFS!

Whiskeypowers · 14/07/2023 10:06

@Superdupes
”I think you're just very, very different people”

yes they are. Except not in the way you’d have the OP believe: these are most definitely not differences borne out of personal preferences and communication styles / approaches to parenting etc. what you mistakenly ascribe as differences is actually an imbalance of everything in this relationship as a result of the OP having
a useless self absorbed sack of shit of a husband who prioritises himself at all costs at all times and is actually a controlling bully.

RosesAndHellebores · 14/07/2023 10:10

He sounds abusive and controlling. I think you need to leave. You absolutely need to open a savings account of your own and have your own salary paid into your own bank account.

You deserve decent stuff and your ds deserves decent stuff. I'd take your ds on holiday in your car and I hope your name isn't on the log book for the van. If so register it in your dh's name only.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 14/07/2023 10:11

He sounds lazy, selfish and reckless.

Go on holiday without him. The leave him.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 14/07/2023 10:13

I only give out one LTB a year. 2023's belongs to you op.

Run for the hills.

Acornsoup · 14/07/2023 10:13

@Superdupes yes everything would be fine if only she would do exactly what he wants, when he wants and have no needs of her own 🙄

sashh · 14/07/2023 10:15

Bring the holiday forward a week and go with your DS while he is out with his mates.

3BSHKATS · 14/07/2023 10:16

Podcats · 13/07/2023 23:00

Or put your boy in the van you have been working on single handedly and bugger off on your holiday without him.

And I would add to that don’t come back to the shitty rural Village. Move somewhere that you want to be. And if he wants to join you after, he’s proven himself to be in a changed man, maybe he can but you might of met somebody else by then.

Lolapusht · 14/07/2023 10:17
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Oh OP. Sorry 🍷

Finances

How much do each of you contribute to joint expenses? School shoes are a joint expense btw.
Do you own or rent? If you own, how is it owned? Ring-fenced deposits? Joint?
How much is put into savings each month and how is that figure calculated? Have you ever asked for your name to be out on the account? How did he/would he react?
What has been said about what the savings are to be used for?
If H (no ‘D’ 😡) is out most weekends and has regular weekend breaks, how does he pay for all of that? Any chance it’s coming from savings? Bet he sees the savings as ‘his’. (Related to his de-stressing, MH breaks…does it never occur to him that that’s time away from DS? If he’s out getting pissed on a Friday night, what time does he get back on a Saturday and how bad are the hangovers? Even if he’s back and “on duty” from 10am, he’s still missed breakfasts).
I come from a middle class back ground. We had a bit of savings, but nothing major. Both parents worked very hard and we were always well dressed and always had good school shoes. My DC do to the hairdresser and get through a pair of Kickers in about 3 months! His views on money are nothing to do with class, it’s to do with being a dick. He may not see the point in spending more than £4 on moisturiser, but does he ever deny himself a night out or a weekend away? How do you spend on non-essentials and how much does he? I think you’ll find your ‘useless with money” is actually providing for your family whereas his “being good with money” is being a selfish tight-arse.

Campervan

Is the Camper his work van?
What work has been done on the conversion?
Does he have the knowledge/skills to convert a van or has he watched YouTube and spoken to a mate?
Does the van have gas and electrics? Who installed these? Do you know where the cut-offs are for each? If there’s gas, has he fitted appropriate straps etc to keep the bottles secure? Is there any ventilation?
How many seats do you have and where will your son sit? Will it take a car seat? Do you know what you need in the car for travelling in France?
How much more work is needed to finish it?

I’d assume that the van will fail its MOT and go and buy a tent. If it fails, will there be enough time to get the MOT work done AND finish the conversion? I’m guessing he’s one of these love the van lifestyle types but doesn’t appreciate that you can’t just chuck a bag in the back and go? First, you need a van that isn’t full of work shite, has MOT and is comfortable for a child to stay in. You then need to pack everything for the holiday and take everything you might need instead of just winging it and enjoying the experience.

You can separate and you can stay in the same area. Your son loves his dad because all children love their parents, regardless of how useless they are. Not meeting the emotional needs of a 7 yr old is really pathetic. They’re not babies anymore and are much easier to relate to. He’s also not meeting your emotional needs. Your son will of course want to do all the cool Disney stuff, but when it comes to the important stuff, your DH will always let him down. That will have a bigger impact on him than having a fun dad. He can be a proper Disney Dad and see him EOW (weekends away and nights out with his mates allowing).

Your H doesn’t want a family. He is fundamentally selfish and will not change. I’m really sorry, but I think you need to start doing what you need to in order to be happy. Being brutal, how much would your life change if H didn’t live with you?

knobheed99 · 14/07/2023 10:17

Selfish prick.
I'd be tempted to go on holiday without him - not in the van which needs an MOT. See if you can get something last minute for you and your son.
This man is truly awful.
He is financially controlling.

BalletBob · 14/07/2023 10:20

He's able to prop up this narrative of being responsible with money because he's leaving all the expenditure to you! He's not frugal, he's shirking his responsibilities as a husband and a father.

You need to take some responsibility for the situation you're in and take control of your own life, and DS's. Stop with all the nonsense about how "kind" he is. He is anything but. Kind men do not hoard secret savings whilst forcing their wives to cover all the living costs of the family. Kind men do not watch their wives work themselves ragged while they choose a simple job for their own enjoyment (in the knowledge that their wife is picking up the financial slack). Kind men do not bugger off walking or drinking with their mates on a weekend where there's A LOT to be done in preparation for a family trip. Kind men do not treat their wives like an unpaid maid and nanny. Kind men do not behave like fun-time, Disney dads while their wives are actually responsible for all of the actual work of parenting. He's not kind. He's a selfish, lazy man.

What do you or DS actually get out of this set up? You say he's not even affectionate! In what ways does he make your life easier or more enjoyable? And as for DS, he doesn't need a "best mate"; he needs a father.

Your life - and DS's - would almost certainly be happier, healthier, more affluent and less hard work if you left him, moved near your support network and claimed CS so he'd finally have to pay his own damn way. Maybe if he was forced to actually do some parenting, DS would have a proper dad during contact time rather than a "best mate" who might be around a lot, but teaches him all the wrong things about what it means to be a father and a husband.

ManateeFair · 14/07/2023 10:21

I still think he's fundamentally a kind person,

He isn't. If he was, he wouldn't be treating you like this. He's astonishingly selfish.

3BSHKATS · 14/07/2023 10:22

I’ve just read the bit about the savings shit that money is gone. Forget that. Apply for a credit card immediately. I’m not normally one for Debt, but apply for one, I left my ex with a lot more children than you’ve got that having a 2k credit card made life very much easier. If you can get more than that, that would be better, and because it’s not counted as any sort of savings, you’ll get the full benefits you’re entitled to. But of course you can use that money in the short-term, beds, cookware etc

Iolani · 14/07/2023 10:23

You clearly have too much on your plate already, why did you decide to do the van up and not just chose a holiday that didn’t involve that extra workload.

If you want to stay together
Chose a job that isn’t so stressful, it is your choice you can’t blame that on dh
Move to somewhere with more going on so you can have a social life
Arrange time away with friends every now and then for a break
Buy a house that doesn’t need a lot of work or gardening
Live near as possible to your kids school, especially his senior school so he can get himself there and back.
Take the same amount of ‘me time’ as your dh
Rotate the cooking, divy up the admin and cleaning.
Have time together, date nights or days out.

Tell him this is the deal
Or leave

Naunet · 14/07/2023 10:26

Can you explain how this kind man is reasonable to think you spending money on clothing is frivolous and you should make you own like some kind of Cinderella character, but it’s ok for him to spend money on himself going away with mates for a weekend? Does that really seem like a kind man’s actions? He’s fundamentally selfish, he doesn’t see the worth in money being spent on you or his son because he wants it all for himself.

BigCheekBitch · 14/07/2023 10:28

I have a friend in a relationship like this, we all think he's a cunt.

He's making you feel shit for being perfectly normal.

Lolapusht · 14/07/2023 10:28

OP, is the van insured?????

Lolapusht · 14/07/2023 10:29

Does the insurance include European travel?

Nanny0gg · 14/07/2023 10:29

AnyFucker · 13/07/2023 23:14

He is one selfish piece of shit

Excellent summation.

And if he does go away, I know it's petty and a tiny thing in the midst of what you're dealing with, but he'd come back and find a dishwasher in place.

BigCheekBitch · 14/07/2023 10:32

Lolapusht · 14/07/2023 10:29

Does the insurance include European travel?

Also highly recommend European breakdown cover too

Nanny0gg · 14/07/2023 10:32

AppelationStation · 13/07/2023 23:23

There are three big complicating factors:

  1. Although he earns much less than I do (it wasn't like that when DS was v tiny and I was at home), he's better with money than I am. He is a saver. Actually, he's tight. I have bought school shoes, uniform, kids clothes, my own clothes, cosmetics etc out of mwy own money for years because he would bawk at how much things are. Decent school shoes are a rip off. Anything over 3.99 for a moisturiser is a waste of money. I could make my own clothes for less, etc. I've suggested over the years that he could choose a more lucrative career, but he would rather we "cut our cloth". As a consequence, the narrative has somehow become that he's the responsible one, and I am a) emotional b) frivolous and c) materialistic.
  1. DS is absolutely besotted with him. He's a very fun dad. DS is an only (not by choice) and DH is his best mate (although he's not great at meeting DSs emotional needs, and I suspect as DS gets older this will become apparent to him and affect their relationship). It would break my heart to break up our family unit as DS sees it. If I moved to somewhere I had any ties to and DS came with me, I'd be taking him hours away from his beloved dad.
  1. I love him. Or at least, I did. I really, really did. It's hard to love someone when they have no respect for you. My self respect has been hard won and I'm sad it's not shared.

You don't love him. You can't!

You're enmeshed and you've convinced yourself that it's love because of your DS.

Maybe you can't move to where you would really like to but as long as you can get to work easily, DS can be with his father and get to school then do it.

BUT - please get legal advice as soon as you get back because your husband won't take this easily. His meal ticket will be ending.

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:35

MoltenLasagne · 14/07/2023 08:07

The problem is, even if OP gets her own account for her wage to be paid into (which she should), it's not going to make a difference if his "savings" are actually just the money he refuses to contribute to the joint bills and spending.

Men like this are not just mean with money, they're sneaky about hoarding their own. I would bet a penny to the pound that her money gets paid into the joint account which then happens to be used for the mortgage, bills, groceries etc, but his gets paid into his own account and he grudgingly transfers small amounts when OP has "been a spendthrift" i.e. bought essential items for the household.

Pretty much this.

My wages actually get paid into my account. I transfer the vast majority of it, immediately, into the joint account which covers all bills, food shopping, etc. I keep a tiny bit back "for myself" but in reality it ends up getting spent on DS / any family activities because otherwise DS would be living in too small clothes and going to school with holes in his shoes.

DHs wages get paid into his account, and he transfers as little as he can get away with into the joint account for bills etc too. The rest stays in his account, which is where "our" savings apparently are. If anything is left in the joint account at the end of the month (and he is stringent about watching what we spend so as much as possible is left, although we arent well off so it often isnt much at all) that is also transfered into his account. This is often done on the pretext that we have spent too much on non essentials and he needs to top up the savings otherwise there'd be nothing left.

It has ended up in a cycle of me paying for all DSs stuff so DH doesn't moan about it, meaning I have no money of my own or cushion, so we're low at the end of the month, so he transfers a bit in to the JA, and then transfers that and a bit more out again to balance it out... Its confusing. I've tried to say we should just put it all in the joint account or joint ISA or something so it's more transparent, but it never happens.

I am one boiled frog.

OP posts:
GG1986 · 14/07/2023 10:36

He is selfish and clearly his needs are above yours and your sons needs.

AppelationStation · 14/07/2023 10:36

Than van is insured. I sorted it. I was arranging one off Euro breakdown recovery insurance, which is how I found out the MOT had expired.

OP posts:
Anklespraying · 14/07/2023 10:37

Its confusing

It's stealing.

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