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to think my friend isn’t actually a lone parent?!

267 replies

butterlo · 12/07/2023 08:30

My friend describes herself as a lone parent and whilst her dd doesn’t see her dad so obviously she has no practical help, she has hundreds a month from her ex which means she has more flexibility than me… who I consider is a real lone parent. No contact with the father and has never paid a penny! Surely that’s the definition of a lone parent, not someone who has significant financial input for their child?!

OP posts:
Nousername4now · 12/07/2023 19:00

Hatty123 · 12/07/2023 18:57

Ps the court has made no order as to What she spends the money on but my understanding is that she has been advised to put the money into property within 6 months in line with UC regulations. Who knows, that’s her business. I was just highlighting that having money over £16,000 in an account didn’t automatically cut UC payments.

Yes it does cut your universal credit if you have £16,000 more in your bank to splash out on yourself, you even googled the points and still came up with that conclusion 🤣

Hatty123 · 12/07/2023 19:00

Nousername4now · 12/07/2023 18:55

The way you stated it was that she got the money to splash out on herself when in reality that isn't the case, so you can google information for the yourself, you made out like if you have over £16,000 in your bank you can still claim universal credit which is bs.

She hasn’t been told by the court what to spend the money on. If she doesn’t spend it on property then she will lose her UC. She could technically spend it on whatever she wants but then she wouldn’t be able to utilise this “capitals disregards” clause. The court agreement just dictated the % of the split from the house sale and my brother transferred that amount to her upon the completion of the sale.

Nousername4now · 12/07/2023 19:01

Hatty123 · 12/07/2023 19:00

She hasn’t been told by the court what to spend the money on. If she doesn’t spend it on property then she will lose her UC. She could technically spend it on whatever she wants but then she wouldn’t be able to utilise this “capitals disregards” clause. The court agreement just dictated the % of the split from the house sale and my brother transferred that amount to her upon the completion of the sale.

Omg no point responding to you anymore, whatever you think 🙄

Hatty123 · 12/07/2023 19:04

Nousername4now · 12/07/2023 19:00

Yes it does cut your universal credit if you have £16,000 more in your bank to splash out on yourself, you even googled the points and still came up with that conclusion 🤣

Unsurprisingly I was not in the relevant meeting with her solicitor and/or accountant but she has said she has been given advice and presumably advised the relevant government department re her ongoing UC entitlements. Whether she follows through on what she has declared or follows the advice is up to her. If she doesn’t she may end up owing the gov money. She has also said she wants a new Audi in recent times so who knows! Was demanding that my brother buy her one not that long ago as part of the divorce. Hopefully it all works out for her and everyone can move on happily, for the sake of the little child involved.

Hatty123 · 12/07/2023 19:10

Nousername4now · 12/07/2023 19:01

Omg no point responding to you anymore, whatever you think 🙄

I have supplied the source material as applies to capital disregards. I cannot do much more to explain the argument at hand. It admittedly is a technical point and most appropriately explained and understood by lawyers or accountants working within this field. I think this conversation has run its course. Thank you for the lovely discourse.

momonpurpose · 12/07/2023 19:23

It's unfortunate you don't get financial help but that in no way makes you more single parent then anyone else.

EasterBreak · 12/07/2023 19:29

butterlo · 12/07/2023 08:33

I guess I wonder what it makes me then? I would love some financial support and if I had that in the amounts she has, I would definitely feel less alone!

Jealous. That's what it makes you. You are both single parents. Obviously.

Screwballs · 12/07/2023 19:43

JusthereforXmas · 12/07/2023 18:51

I'm sorry you regret your decision so much you have internalized the guilt and turned it into hate and now use it to aggressively attack on any woman that choose different but therapy will likely help your more than misplacing blame in an attempt to justify it to yourself.

Give it a rest. I respect my own decision not to find myself in OPs position. I regret nothing, I am proud that I was strong enough not to be ruled by my heart.

BBYBjorn · 12/07/2023 19:52

I am proud that I was strong enough not to be ruled by my heart.

That's one of many reasons why people have children in bad situations. You're not smarter than anyone else because you had an abortion. Someone could come along and say if you were super smart, you'd have doubled up. But that wouldn't be helpful, would it?

Manthide · 12/07/2023 20:06

Speedweed · 12/07/2023 10:02

I'm with you op, that would be frustrating.

We don't really have the terminology to describe the situations properly, everyone gets lumped in under the 'single parent' category, when there is a world of difference.

It's maddening too when someone claims the same status as you but you know there is a hidden advantage, such as receiving a lot of financial support. So anyone looking at the both of you from the outside would think she's magically doing 'better'.

As others have said though, you can't think about it too much as it will drive you mad, but I don't think that means you can't point it out to her when it's just the both of you talking.

A friend of mine is always short of money though she works full time and has no children. I am also short of money, am on a zero hours contract and normally get about 10 shifts a month. Dh is unemployed and I have one dc at home. I often lend her money as though my household income is about half of hers I manage it better. I do sometimes wonder if she ever thinks of my situation.

Mamabear48 · 12/07/2023 20:10

You sound jealous and not a friend I would want to have

celticprincess · 12/07/2023 20:16

You’re probably one of those who will tell me I’m not a long parent as my ex does see the kids - meant to be EOW but reality is it varies and can be months between. He currently doesn’t pay maintenance but has done. He’s skint and you can’t get blood from a stone. I live alone with my children. I do all the school runs, parent evenings, assemblies, awards nights, performances, fill in the Forms, fill in the DLA for one, I get the tax credits and child benefit as a single parent. I’m a long parent. We attempt to cO parent but we don’t really as far as I’m concerned.

I’d say you’re both lone parents. Even with financial support she’s alone at home with her kids making decisions day in day out and doesn’t have the other parent there to support with that.

Rummikub · 12/07/2023 21:03

@Manthide I’d stop bailing your friend out! Make it clear she has more disposable income than your household. I’m amazed you do this.

Manthide · 12/07/2023 21:58

Rummikub · 12/07/2023 21:03

@Manthide I’d stop bailing your friend out! Make it clear she has more disposable income than your household. I’m amazed you do this.

I know, I'm not very good at asserting myself. I have a little speech ready for next time but I don't know if I'll be able to do it!

Rummikub · 12/07/2023 22:09

@Manthide well done for having a speech ready. Maybe text it to her.

Dies she ask you? If so she’s v cheeky. Pre-empt her and say your skint. At the very least bug yourself time and day you’ll let her know if you have spare funds.

I am skint and would never ask friends. I just don’t buy luxuries or go out unless it’s a walk.

Dotcheck · 12/07/2023 22:28

Screwballs · 12/07/2023 16:18

My story is that I terminated a baby rather than be tied to a violent cheat for the rest of my life. It isnt hard to make the right decisions for your own life and that of your future child.

And dont mistake passion for anger. I am passionate that people are accountable for their lives. I am sick of life being everyone elses fault. Victim blaming is such a bloody cop out.

But @Screwballs some people are very good at being deceitful. It’s awful what you went through, but sometimes people/men wait until after children arrive to show their dark side.

sarah419 · 13/07/2023 01:11

why does her bank account matter to you? if she’s bringing out feelings of jealousy and bitterness, maybe don’t befriend her and work on bettering your own circumstances or starting to accept your financial situation without comparing to others

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