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MIL 'speaking out' on H's behalf regarding DD's studies

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shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 18:43

DD is 4 and starting school in September

I do basic learning with her but in addition to this, she is learning to play piano, she swims twice a week and does gymnastics. I enjoy talking to my daughter, and naturally we have conversations about interesting, education topics, worded appropriately for her age groups

Disciple is important from an earlier age. It simply makes your life easier. In the end. I do not hit my children, I mean self discipline. DD has to put her washing in her basket and knows how to separate white washes, strictly. She is good at this. Puts her shoes away properly. Knows not to take more stuff out without putting the other stuff out

Puts her bed together in the morning (with my help, I want it done properly).

MIL pulled me aside at the weekend to say H was worried about my attitude towards learning. She said he is concerned DD is doing too much. I said did H really say this? She said well, no, but I know he feels that way. H says to ignore her

I said no, she's happy and balanced. There isn't even a mention of her disliking anything yet. She enjoys her activities

DD had a disabled brother and knows she is fortunate not to have these barriers, and should appreciate life to the full

AIBU to say it is not her place? She lacks personal discipline and it shows. Sadly, we must all do it to succeed

Perhaps this is a cultural thing. H is white British. I am not so. But I have to say, I am from a working class background and by no means 'middle class'. But opportunities and exposure through fun is important to me, parenting wise! It builds children up for success and happiness. These things set the foundations for a happy, comfortable life.

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IhearyouClemFandango · 05/07/2023 18:54

How does your mil lack discipline?

Kingsparkle · 05/07/2023 18:55

I did wonder if there was a cultural difference here because I think your expectations for a 4 year old are very high. That said it wasn’t your MIL’s place to say anything.

ThickSkinnedSoWhat · 05/07/2023 18:55

speluncean · 05/07/2023 18:48

This bit jumped out at me

DD had a disabled brother and knows she is fortunate not to have these barriers, and should appreciate life to the full

She's 4. You shouldn't put that level of pressure on her.

I am sorry for your loss.

I agree. I have a child with disabilities. Had I had another, this would not be my attitude. She's 4 for fucks sake, let her have fun. Even if my 4yo wasn't disabled I'd not expect her to do that much.

shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 18:55

Fairislefandango · 05/07/2023 18:53

You sound very OTT. Lacking personal discipline? At age 4?! The poor child. Your attitude is rigid and harsh, and imo misguided. These things do not necessarily 'set the foundations for a happy, comfortable life'. Quite often they create an anxious, over-driven child who later goes to pieces whenever they fail to live up to their parent's unrealistic and inflexible standards. I'm a teacher and have seen this happen quite often.

Have you read the thread? I have clarified twice now that I did NOT say my 4 year old lacks discipline!

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JonahAndTheSnail · 05/07/2023 18:55

If your husband agrees with you then your MIL's opinion is irrelevant really. As long as you'd support your daughter in dropping a class or hobby if wants to, I don't see the problem.

Blofelt · 05/07/2023 18:55

shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 18:53

Good for you. That doesn't mean it couldn't have gone the other way, or this type of expectation isn't an advantage

What's wrong with making your bed? A life skill - and should be done. It's a good way to 'start' the day, and lots of people find they have more get up and go by just simply doing the act of making their bed

OK but if you were my DIL I think I'd feel a bit sorry for my gd

Humidititties · 05/07/2023 18:56

Do you ever just play with her and have fun, let her play with other kids? It all seems very grown up, there's plenty of time for all that

Howtotalksoyourparentslisten · 05/07/2023 18:56

If your DD is happy why would you want to stop any of her activities? Smile and nod at your MIL then keep raising your child your way

speluncean · 05/07/2023 18:56

You're going to make her feel she has to be perfect and you're putting such a lot on her aged 4.

"Now dd you need to make your bed because unlike your brother you have the gift of walking and are able to do this "

"Finish your homework because unlike your brother you have the gift of writing"

"Don't cry like that you have the gift of speech not like your brother"

And even if you don't say those exact words, that's the subtext she will hear

Topseyt123 · 05/07/2023 18:56

That is all rather a lot for a 4 year old. I do pretty much agree with your MIL on that.

I wouldn't have said anything though, if I were your MIL. Just not her place.

shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 18:56

Howtotalksoyourparentslisten · 05/07/2023 18:56

If your DD is happy why would you want to stop any of her activities? Smile and nod at your MIL then keep raising your child your way

Exactly this - she is not unhappy

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I8toys · 05/07/2023 18:56

YABU. She's four. Sounds very sad and totally controlling.

Fairislefandango · 05/07/2023 18:57

Have you read the thread? I have clarified twice now that I did NOT say my 4 year old lacks discipline!

Apologies- you were referring to your MIL. However, the rest of my points stand.

speluncean · 05/07/2023 18:57

She's 4. She shouldn't be "mindful of her advantage".

That's all kinds of wrong.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 05/07/2023 18:57

Your mother in law is interfering, and your husband is the only one who can tell you what he is thinking.

But truthfully you sound like a hard taskmaster and if I were married to a man who was imposing that level of expectation on a four year old, I would be concerned.

Clymene · 05/07/2023 18:57

Your daughter is 4. She's a baby. How do you think her life will be enhanced by making her do chores?

She should not be reminded to feel lucky she's not disabled. She's four.

elenacampana · 05/07/2023 18:57

shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 18:53

Good for you. That doesn't mean it couldn't have gone the other way, or this type of expectation isn't an advantage

What's wrong with making your bed? A life skill - and should be done. It's a good way to 'start' the day, and lots of people find they have more get up and go by just simply doing the act of making their bed

There’s nothing wrong with making your bed or knowing how to separate the washing at any age. There’s nothing wrong with swimming and the piano at any age either. Nor is there anything wrong with being grateful for the ‘gift of speech’.

There is something wrong if your mum chooses all your activities and you don’t get the chance to choose how you spend your time though. Does she ever get to play with a toy that doesn’t have an educational angle? Does she ever get to sit and scribble about nothing with crayons? I’d wonder why my husband and MIL were commenting and having discussions between themselves and wonder if I could loosen up a bit so my child could have some fun of her own choosing.

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 05/07/2023 18:58

Private school?

Hothoused preschoolers can become workaholic people pleasers with eating disorders. I am related to one.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 05/07/2023 18:59

You sound incredibly upright and stuffy, and have some funny ideas about your DD having to be "grateful" for her very existence, but you obviously love your kids in your own fashion so I'm sure they'll be ok compared to many (they'll probably have some issues due to your parenting style but lots of people do, no matter ehich way they were parented - it doesn't mean that it's abusive or neglectful). Your MIL should own her own opinions, as should your DH if he has them.

You might want to tone down your whole "this is the one true way" vibe though, it may be cultural but it's coming across very blinkered and judgemental of other parenting styles. I've learned a lot from watching how others parent; you probably could too.

shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 18:59

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 05/07/2023 18:58

Private school?

Hothoused preschoolers can become workaholic people pleasers with eating disorders. I am related to one.

Haha! No. I am a carer/bank shift nurse and H works with mortgages. 0 money for private school, that's funny

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BlackeyedSusan · 05/07/2023 18:59

Making a bed with help and separating washing into the correct basket is not that onerous even at four if it's done with praise and encouragement.

speluncean · 05/07/2023 18:59

She should not be reminded to feel lucky she's not disabled. She's four.

This. My family member is quite profoundly disabled and I got the "we expect more of you because you're not disabled" all my life. And all it did was foster resentment.

Blofelt · 05/07/2023 19:01

BlackeyedSusan · 05/07/2023 18:59

Making a bed with help and separating washing into the correct basket is not that onerous even at four if it's done with praise and encouragement.

There's a lot more fun things little girls could be doing though. It's not the Handmaid's Tale.

shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 19:01

There is something wrong if your mum chooses all your activities and you don’t get the chance to choose how you spend your time though. Does she ever get to play with a toy that doesn’t have an educational angle? Does she ever get to sit and scribble about nothing with crayons? I’d wonder why my husband and MIL were commenting and having discussions between themselves and wonder if I could loosen up a bit so my child could have some fun of her own choosing.

Most of her toys aren't 'educational'. Although she likes books and gets read to every night. But she otherwise plays normally. And had probably more tablet time than Mumsnet would agree with!

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shecanshewillmil · 05/07/2023 19:02

@Blofelt you think putting your washing in a basket and making your bed is taking away playtime! Grin

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