To ask why people are so against giving up meat?

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Just that really, why are people so against giving up meat?
Without a doubt we know it's better for the environment, we know it's better for our health, we know it's better for animal welfare and it's actually quite expensive. But still as soon as you mention to the greater public about cutting their meat consumption, they get defensive and almost offended.
Would you ever consider giving it up, if you do consume it now? If not, why not?
I'm expecting some hate, this is MN after all, but I am genuinely just curious. Not trying to rattle feathers.

Because I like eating meat and I like pissing off self-righteous, sanctimonious vegans even more.

Well, where I live farm animals generally don't live like that. What about when a wild animal sees it babies being killed by predators, which happens all the time. Do you think they enjoy that?

Would you say dogfighting, bearbaiting or simple cruelty is acceptable since animals experience worse in nature? Our job is to be caretakers of animals.

They are confined, unlike in the wild. They don't stand a chance. That's why it's our job to treat them properly.

Slaughtering an animal is one thing, but there's really no excuse for squalor

That's rich, considering this thread asked why people are against giving up meat - in other words nothing whatsoever to do with vegans.

Maybe if they didn't come across as being so holier than thou and sticking their beaks in when they weren't asked to they wouldn't be bashed?

Actually, I could just as easily say "I've no idea why MN allows these meat eater bashing threads".

The other thing about meat is you can't be sure where it comes from. Unless you only ever eat meat from your local farm, never eat at restaurants or other people's houses, check every pre-made cake and cheese is organic

I'm not saying it's proportionate to do that, but you can't ever know, really

Erm you can’t ban a group of people from opposing views, it would be extremely biased. Nowhere in the OP did it say, vegan/vegetarians views not welcome. You’ve made that up yourself!

I don't live in the UK, I live in a rural area and have done all my life, and I'm telling you animals here do not live in squalor, and I seriously doubt that the majority of those in the UK do either. Get over yourself and stop watching all the propaganda! Dogfighting and bearbaiting are a completely different thing - and certainly are not legal here (good luck finding a bear!) Being "confined" in a large field is hardly cruel, and some animals here have many more acres to roam on than you could imagine.

The claims that have been raised:

Its bad for the environment.
It’s bad for animal welfare.
Its unsustainable.
It’s linked to outbreaks of diseases and potential outbreaks.

Yes I have provided evidence of these, the point raised about meat being cancer-causing, it’s a simple tap of a few keys to get the answer 😉

I didn't say a group of people should be banned, I said if they choose to come onto a thread not aimed at them then they take what they get - without complaint.

If they choose to come onto a thread asking a question not aimed at them then they can be pleasant - not bash everyone who doesn't agree with their superior (in their own minds) views and then whine (they seem to be good at that) when the same is dished out to them.

Chicken farms are definitely a problem for this, the problem being that chickens have been developed to grow too quickly for their bones, and past a couple of months are too big to stand up for long - this is a very poor state of affairs and there should absolutely be work done to stop this.
It could be combatted by buying slower growing birds to rear and increasing the space they have, including outdoor space. This will only change if supermarket meat buyers dictate it and pay a fair price to farmers, but they won’t because they only care about money.

Beef and sheep farming in this country however tends to be incredibly high welfare, the animals usually have very good outdoor lives.

I don't think we've ever had a vegan thread get so many comments before so thank you to all those who have kept it going - which ever side of the (slaughter house) fence you sit on.

Particularly the goady meat eaters who have helped us all play vegan bingo. I think I've got a full card!

Well, I'll be buggered! This is exactly what I thought. That life for wild animals is all gamboling in the fields, getting on together, and dying of old age!!!! Survival of the fittest you say? I've never heard of that. Is that your own saying? It's a good one and now that I think about it, I think you might be right.

But hang on, the rabbit. Would it not enjoy the ride? Would it not be exciting to go up in the air? A bit like paragliding. I used to enjoy a game of chase as a kid, would it not be like that for the animals being chased by a lion? And mum's seeing their babies being killed... I would have thought they'd have all had a good laugh. If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times, KEEP AWAY FROM PREDATORS!

They say you learn something new every day. And they are damn right.

Oh bless aren't you special. I'm sure were thrilled for you with your imaginary bingo card! 😂

Nature is cruel too - end up dying of nasty illness or eaten by a fox so high welfare meat means happy lives.

It's a lot quicker to plonk a chicken in the oven than chop up nuts and veg for a bit roast

Lots of meat alternatives are highly processed with dodgy ingredients which are not good for the planet eg lots of deforestation for palm oil

In the UK one of the few things that grow well . If it all went to crops we would lose lots of archeology

I am still depressed that I look depressed.

I think eating fish is far worse for the environment. It's screwing up our marine ecosystems. Parrot fish are absolutely essential to help reduce coral bleaching, in some places they've been fished to critical levels.
It's not just reducing species though, it's the huge nets which cause terrible and indiscriminate damage to our oceans.
But fish are seen as less beings for some reason. Don't get me started on the environmental damage of fish farming.

What would happen to all the cats and dogs if humans gave up meat? I guess pet foot would become really really expensive as so few farmers would be farming animals....in fact it would probably have to be shipped over from overseas where farmed animals have fewer welfare standards.

I eat meat, sometimes buy organic sometimes grab non organic stuff depending on how big the food shop is/how big the bill is going to be. I Generally shop in the local supermarket as life is too busy to go out of my way to butchers which would be my preference.

I love veg and would happily give up meat and eat full on vegetarian (couldn’t do vegan as i like real cheese and eggs)

if I had a private chef I’d happily eat veggie all the time. Don’t think I could convince the family though 😂

That’s nice that where you live the animals don’t live in terrible conditions, unfortunately though over 70% of land animals in the uk are raised in industrial farms. It’s wide scale in most of the world.

And possibly I didn’t make it clear enough in my post but yes I do know that wild animals suffer. However, breeding land animals for meat and dairy ENSURES a life of horror and misery before they die. I was just talking about the direness (if that’s a word) of humans inflicting that kind of misery on animals in wide scale industrial farming. They don’t even have a CHANCE.

That’s a pretty strange way of thinking there, we should know our place 😂 The OP actually wasn’t aimed at anyone and it wasn’t specified.

The meat eaters have done a good job at bashing the vegans.

Vegan bashing? The entire premise of the thread is essentially bashing meat eaters for refusing to give it up!! And there are plenty of vegan posters who've joined in. It's essentially a mass bundle now with vegans and meat eaters all having a go/getting defensive.

Aw yeh man, yeh I totally believe animals live the good life in the wild, hence why I said that in my post! Oh, wait , no I didn’t. In fact, it seems a lot of posts on here get read with very selective eyes to fit the readers narrative or so they can post smart ass replies that only show they completely missed the point or didn’t read properly. Or read between the lines where there was nothing to read 🙄

Try reading my post again @Muddymudbomb. I was clearly responding to theoldgreygoose.

You clearly know more than a scientist, you haven’t even provided evidence that proves I’m wrong and feelz, that’s not even in the English language 🤦🏻‍♀️
I think you’ll find, the vegans raise questions, the meat eaters realise their morals are at question, they react angrily and clutch at straws repeatedly to try and dispel factual information, it is at the very least, laughable.