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mum22mu · 04/07/2023 17:37

I am on maternity leave with my DD 6 months. I have anxiety in general and as my DH works long hours I am alone with her the majority of the time. I have taken steps to address this anxiety and I have therapy which helps. My parents are aware of it. I wouldn’t say it’s out of control, it’s more ruminating and intrusive thoughts and I was doing ok with it. The reason for the therapy was more to ensure I didn’t get worse rather than it being a massive problem.

However, when I see my parents I often panic with them around DD as they will walk off with her if we are in a supermarket for example or just generally out somewhere. I’ve asked them not to do this and they then agree and say they won’t, then other times they get quite nasty, saying they’re sick of being told what to do and I’m ridiculous etc etc. I get worried about DD being in their garden as they use chemicals on the lawn, I recently said I would rather we went for a walk than sat outside as I didn’t want to risk DD coming into contact with the lawn, to which my dad said to my mum ‘I should have lied and said nothing was on the lawn.’ Obviously this sort of thing really panics me as then I feel I can’t trust them and it becomes a vicious circle. I am an anxious person generally and I do my best to work on this but where DD is concerned I often can’t control it and have to ask them if they will do x or y or not do x or y (I don’t ever leave her with them alone so it’s only if we are meeting). If I don’t feel they are taking it seriously I will ask again as I feel panicked. AIBU to ask for a bit more understanding from them rather than then losing their cool? I’m honestly doing my best and I feel I would reassure someone in my position but maybe the reality is different?

OP posts:
Mble · 05/07/2023 14:07

The only people who will be honest with you are your close family because they love you. Your friends will go along with it until it becomes a problem for them and then they will drift away. I no longer see my friend with anxiety because once our children were older, there was such an awkward mismatch between what their child was allowed to do and what mine were allowed to do. It also become uncomfortable to watch the restrictions she placed on her child and I was always having to bite my tongue.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 14:10

Mble · 05/07/2023 14:07

The only people who will be honest with you are your close family because they love you. Your friends will go along with it until it becomes a problem for them and then they will drift away. I no longer see my friend with anxiety because once our children were older, there was such an awkward mismatch between what their child was allowed to do and what mine were allowed to do. It also become uncomfortable to watch the restrictions she placed on her child and I was always having to bite my tongue.

What were the restrictions that you disagreed with???

billy1966 · 05/07/2023 14:14

"I don’t have anxiety whatsoever and I think if any parent resorts to being unkind and nasty to their child who ultimately has a mental health problem and is doing her best, then you need to step away because you will only make things even worse and cause more damage.

It’s sad to see so many posts supporting what looks to me nothing short of bullying, it’s especially concerning because op has poor mental health and is vulnerable having just had a baby and learning to manage so many new experiences.

op would do well to stop seeing her parents and see more of her lovely friends." @GCalltheway completely agree.

Her parents reaction to her is to be nasty.
To their anxious FTM daughter?

Says everything about them that their reaction to her is to be nasty.

Suggestions that she will harm her child, should get a grip, that people should just ignore the boundaries of those with anxiety is unbelievable.

I really hope the OP has a good hard look at her parents and their impact on her.

I hope she focuses spending her remaining mat leave time with those that support and hold her up, and give those who cause her stress a really wide berth.

This is a precious time for mother and daughter.

babyproblems · 05/07/2023 14:17

I don’t think the thing you are worried about are necessarily a marker of anxiety- I wouldn’t let my child near weed killer either. Do they know the history of round up?? They sound a bit ignorant.. it’s well known that chemical weedkiller and lawn products are highly carcinogenic and toxic. I wouldn’t use it in our garden and if they’ve got any pets they should be keeping them well away from contact with lawn and the fumes. Dd is your baby, do it your way. X

readbooksdrinktea · 05/07/2023 14:17

The only people who will be honest with you are your close family because they love you. Your friends will go along with it until it becomes a problem for them and then they will drift away.

I agree with this.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 14:18

readbooksdrinktea · 05/07/2023 14:17

The only people who will be honest with you are your close family because they love you. Your friends will go along with it until it becomes a problem for them and then they will drift away.

I agree with this.

Adopt me my family are the opposite please take me in.

elenacampana · 05/07/2023 14:28

FoodFann · 05/07/2023 11:56

Hi OP. I also have a 6 month DD and a husband away a lot, and I also have intrusive thoughts and anxiety that something bad will happen.

I completely understand what you’re going through.

However, you need to remember to detach the intrusive thoughts from the real risks.

It was a few months ago that I realised I am the only true advocate for my daughter, and even well meaning, close family members just cannot look after her to my standard. Nobody else is vigilant about things like weed killer, sun exposure, strange dogs, screen time, foul language, second-hand smoke, exhausts, aerosols, non-organic food etc etc etc the list goes on and on. As the mother, I am hyper-vigilant, and no one else comes close.

You're doing a great job, but yes, only YOU will love and care for your baby properly. Put simply: no one else is capable.

Well done, you sound like an absolutely fantastic mother!

😆😂 no one else is capable. You should be on stage.

GCalltheway · 05/07/2023 14:32

I hope op is still on here because there is just one thing I wanted to say, those that have been mistreated in childhood when they come across someone that is nasty to them they will ALWAYS immediately blame themselves for other peoples poor behaviour, believing it is their fault because of the extensive conditioning they have had all of their childhood. So rather than looking outwards and blaming the perpetrator. They will always question what they did wrong - when in fact they did nothing wrong at all.

So let’s imagine op did not mention the anxiety. It is irrelevant any way and said I like to keep an eye on my baby in busy places especially supermarkets and my parents continually walk off with her knowing I don’t like it, I have tried to reason with them and my parents are really nasty to me.

She would have got a completely different response I guarantee it.

Op blaming herself encouraged all of you to do the same. It couldn’t possibly be the parents being spiteful walking away with her baby - it was her anxiety because indirectly she was already blaming herself before she had even started the post.

Some posts on here are able to see through this and encourage her to move away from her parents - the root cause of her anxiety, along with a shit load of projecting and some down right victim blaming.

I hope op learns to see that those who treat her badly are always the ones at fault, and she does need to take responsibility for others piss poor behaviour.

Turn the lense around and stop blaming yourself as they have conditioned you to do. Call them out, and stop giving them the time and platform to continue hurting you and your dd.

GCalltheway · 05/07/2023 14:34

**Does not need to take responsibility

VIPNanny · 05/07/2023 14:49

I am a nanny, and just recently finished working with a very anxious mom.

As a professional you adapt (and maybe gently push mom to try out new things so she can realize that those things aren’t actually as scary or unsafe as her head might tell her it is) but also it’s ROUGH. Her husband (and the rest of the family if I am honest) were definitely fed up with the level of anxiety (they were not all as expressive about it as others but their face/behavior/eyerolls said it all.)

Honestly, even though she actually incredibly accepted likely to give me more freedom than her natural comfort level would have been like (I didn’t ask for it but she was working on a massive work project so had to leave her baby with me 90% of the time so didn’t have much choice but to trust me), the 10% she was there it was incredibly stressful. And sometimes, even almost detrimental to her kid.

It’s a horrible thing to say and she is completely lovely and cares so much about her child, and wasn’t a bad mom at all per se, but her anxiety about all kind of random things (some justified, but most not really) meant that everything was suddenly 100 times harder and more complicated when she was around. She would also ALWAYS talk about worst case scenarios and kind of address a situation starting from her own panicked mind and kind of push it onto the child.

For example, it’s summer time, by default cars are mainly warm when you initially get in them. It’s really not that big of a deal, you just keep the windows down for a bit, wait for AC to cool down the car and nobody will die. Her child never ever had an issue when just with me or with me and his dad, but if mom was there, we weren’t even in the car yet that she was already panicking about how the kid was gonna be hot. And oh my god he is likely over heating “right X (insert kid name) you are hot! Uh it’s too hot! !” So he would just start repeating “Hot!” Even though he is fine and that car would be cooled down within 2 minutes.

if we went down a hill with the stroller she would start panicking that he could roll down the hill, and can I please make sure I am extremely careful (in the meantime I have been up and down the hill with that same kid 20 times that week just fine).

it’s exhausting, even crackers she would give him to eat she would have to preceed with a warning of “careful, that cracker is sharp! oh my god X please chew, it’s dangerous, it’s quite sharp!”

Everything seemed dangerous to her. And she did know she was overtly anxious and said she was trying to get better and did want to get therapy but honestly her anxiety created so much work for everyone and honestly was starting to create completely unnecessary anxiety in her own child who (thankfully was/is naturally chill and not anxious at all about anything). this mom it/was the first to say how bad she felt about being so anxious all the time, and so I tried to encourage her to force herself to seek help and work on her anxiety (ideally with a professional) so as to feel better for herself but also not push her kid to live the same life she has had to live as it’s not healthy.

OP, your anxiety isn’t under control. Yours seems only fine when people follow your instructions to the letter, but that’s not what having your anxiety under control should technically be like. What it should be like is “I know this person isn’t going to try and cause harm to my baby and so I trust them to make reasonable decisions so I am not going to panick if they walk away to the next aisle with her.” And actually do the work of sitting in your own anxiety about them being in the next aisle enough times that it leading to no negative consequences each time help you realize that it’s fine. Soothing your own anxieties by controlling others and their interaction with your child only benefit you, not your child.

Your child shouldn’t be under the impression that you not being near them at all time is a threat, or that being kissed is dangerous for their health or that sitting on the grass is a danger to them. By panicking about those things you are also teaching your kid that your reactions to those things are normal.

Allow your kid to also be in presence (and in the care) of people who have more relaxed approaches to certain aspects of life than you. If you don’t feel comfortable doing certain things yourself. Allow someone who feels confident to do it safely to do it, so your kid can get to experience it. Don’t have your kid miss out on affection, the joys of crawling in the grass or having moments of exploring new things independently from you just because those things scare you. The onus is on you to work on seeing those things differently rather than trying to control it all and trying and stop things that have more benefits than risks from happening.

Mble · 05/07/2023 15:06

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 14:10

What were the restrictions that you disagreed with???

Not letting her children play in sand or water at the playground. Not letting them go on any of the play equipment that was even slightly high off the ground. Any playground equipment that was allowed, required excessive hovering e.g. holding them all the way down the slide. Strapping them into their buggy and not letting them walk from cafe to playground even when they were past old enough to walk. Lots of food issues and restrictions. It felt cruel letting my children do what they wanted (standard playground/park stuff) in front of her children but on the other hand, I didn’t want to stop mine from having a reasonably nice time.

mum22mu · 05/07/2023 15:18

Just want to clarify one thing… there was no ‘ritual’ about wanting DD in sight when I was in the queue.

I asked my mum specifically to stay within sight and I turned my back for a moment and they had gone. Yes of course I knew she was almost definitely safe but it’s the fact I cannot trust my mum can I?! I literally asked her to stay in sight and then she wanders off. That’s not feeding until a ritual of anxiety… I just wanted to be able to see my baby and I was ignored.

It makes more important things difficult to trust in when such a basic thing as that is totally disregarded the moment I turned my back to the till. Hence, the anxiety around my parents is heightened.

OP posts:
Dixiechickonhols · 05/07/2023 15:21

It’s sad because if it’s not addressed it will impact child.
There was a mum at dc’s primary who was very oh be careful darling constantly and not wanting child to take part in normal school or age appropriate activities. Nice woman but her dc understandably had anxiety issues and a difficult time when she started secondary.

mum22mu · 05/07/2023 15:21

Also I don’t think my mum did it maliciously but it was total disregard for what I’d asked. I just wouldn’t ignore something like that, it’s easy to stay in sight, no big deal surely

OP posts:
BrandySlap · 05/07/2023 15:21

mum22mu · 05/07/2023 15:18

Just want to clarify one thing… there was no ‘ritual’ about wanting DD in sight when I was in the queue.

I asked my mum specifically to stay within sight and I turned my back for a moment and they had gone. Yes of course I knew she was almost definitely safe but it’s the fact I cannot trust my mum can I?! I literally asked her to stay in sight and then she wanders off. That’s not feeding until a ritual of anxiety… I just wanted to be able to see my baby and I was ignored.

It makes more important things difficult to trust in when such a basic thing as that is totally disregarded the moment I turned my back to the till. Hence, the anxiety around my parents is heightened.

What’s your plan for childcare when you return to work?

What does your therapist say about your mum disappearing with baby in the shop?

Terzani · 05/07/2023 15:22

Your child shouldn’t be under the impression that you not being near them at all time is a threat, or that being kissed is dangerous for their health or that sitting on the grass is a danger to them. By panicking about those things you are also teaching your kid that your reactions to those things are normal.

Well said. Children of anxious and controlling people grow up being either anxious themselves or deeply fearful and resentful of their parents. Having an anxious parent is hellish, because it is oppressive and relentless - as children, teens, young adults, adults, there is always this unfair lack of freedom and a huge emotional burden that they have to carry.

mum22mu · 05/07/2023 15:23

BrandySlap · 05/07/2023 15:21

What’s your plan for childcare when you return to work?

What does your therapist say about your mum disappearing with baby in the shop?

@BrandySlap dd will be in nursery. Therapist said it was fine to have a boundary and that boundary was ignored.

I don’t think wanting your baby in sight is problematic. I am referred to as the most chilled mum in our baby class! So it’s really only a few things I worry about and like I say, it’s heightened around family.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 05/07/2023 15:26

i think you need to separate out the issues - the fact that your parents don’t listen to you and heightens your anxiety is a problem. You can’t trust them with your boundaries so yes you have a right to be upset.

But the fact that you need her in sight at all times and are fretting about her going on a lawn is an even bigger one. The boundaries that you are needing to put into place are not healthy for you or your child and will simply be feeding into them being anxious themselves.

saying you are doing your best but you can’t control it isn’t enough - the first step is recognising that this is a big issue that you need help with because your baby isn’t yours to control and own they are their own person who needs to grow

mum22mu · 05/07/2023 15:27

Tinkss · 05/07/2023 13:45

I’m sorry to hear you’ve been suffering with anxiety, the over thinking is the worst. I found that keeping a log journal helps , just jotting down all those worries. I would look back on it at the end of the week and most of the things I wrote down by the end of the week they weren’t worth worrying over. It makes you realise that everything will be okay in the end and it gives me some relief to know no matter how big or small that worry is, in a few months time it probably won’t even cross my mind.

Sending virtual hugs , take care 🙂

@Tinkss thank you this is so helpful

OP posts:
thecatinthetwat · 05/07/2023 15:29

I went through something broadly similar with my in-laws. They would also lie about things and then slip up. In the end I put down really hard boundaries because my anxiety was getting so much worse being around them. They didn’t like the boundaries and we saw less of them for a few years. Now my anxiety is almost non-existent, they are much better at boundaries (not perfect but fine) and everyone appreciates each other more. Honestly, I would recommend a hard line, and some time.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 15:33

Quartz2208 · 05/07/2023 15:26

i think you need to separate out the issues - the fact that your parents don’t listen to you and heightens your anxiety is a problem. You can’t trust them with your boundaries so yes you have a right to be upset.

But the fact that you need her in sight at all times and are fretting about her going on a lawn is an even bigger one. The boundaries that you are needing to put into place are not healthy for you or your child and will simply be feeding into them being anxious themselves.

saying you are doing your best but you can’t control it isn’t enough - the first step is recognising that this is a big issue that you need help with because your baby isn’t yours to control and own they are their own person who needs to grow

I was on another thread about a mum wanting to put her baby down for a nap in her cot. The thread livened up with people piling in saying I would never leave my baby alone and I take them with me where ever I go. There is nothing unhealthy about watching your baby.

AcrossthePond55 · 05/07/2023 15:36

So, you indicate that your anxiety is 'heightened' around your parents, yes? But that your sister also feels anxious around them, do I have that right? Does she also have general anxiety?

Is your therapist aware of this? I'm not saying your parents were abusive or 'bad' parents but 2 siblings having anxiety, especially when around their parents, seems to point to a definite 'source'. It could be as 'simple' as having been separated from them for a long period at an early age or as complex as neglectful parenting or feeling ignored or 'disregarded' by them. I certainly think this is something that really needs to be explored.

BrandySlap · 05/07/2023 15:36

mum22mu · 05/07/2023 15:23

@BrandySlap dd will be in nursery. Therapist said it was fine to have a boundary and that boundary was ignored.

I don’t think wanting your baby in sight is problematic. I am referred to as the most chilled mum in our baby class! So it’s really only a few things I worry about and like I say, it’s heightened around family.

Did the therapist give you any ‘homework’ to do around letting your baby go out of sight? Ie ask you to generate alternative consequences to something dreadful happening. Did she gently challenge your assumptions and help you develop more rational thinking? Give you strategies to manage your anxiety when this happens? Or was she just kind and supportive and tell you to keep your boundaries as they are?

Carpediemmakeitcount · 05/07/2023 15:40

People on this thread need to remember the baby is 6 months old. I watched my babies at that age in case they hurt themselves. Was I the only one in this thread apart from the op???

Nanny0gg · 05/07/2023 15:53

FoodFann · 05/07/2023 11:56

Hi OP. I also have a 6 month DD and a husband away a lot, and I also have intrusive thoughts and anxiety that something bad will happen.

I completely understand what you’re going through.

However, you need to remember to detach the intrusive thoughts from the real risks.

It was a few months ago that I realised I am the only true advocate for my daughter, and even well meaning, close family members just cannot look after her to my standard. Nobody else is vigilant about things like weed killer, sun exposure, strange dogs, screen time, foul language, second-hand smoke, exhausts, aerosols, non-organic food etc etc etc the list goes on and on. As the mother, I am hyper-vigilant, and no one else comes close.

You're doing a great job, but yes, only YOU will love and care for your baby properly. Put simply: no one else is capable.

Well done, you sound like an absolutely fantastic mother!

Jesus!

Are you receiving help?

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