Are attractive women treated worse by other women

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My best friend since primary school is a beauty. 5'10, long, thick gorgeous hair, pretty face, nice figure, etc. She's a lovely person too. We were out the other weekend and I noticed other women were really stand off-ish with her (thru no fault of her own, she was V polite and chatty)! I'm average looking, a 6/10 if I'm really dressed up maybe and don't have this problem. Attractive women, is this common?

As a once ok looking woman who now no longer looks good.. my experience was life is easier as an attractive woman in term of general public treatment, people were kind and helpful. Lots of male attention I never invited. Now I'm not attractive I've definitely found people are less helpful when actually it's now I need the help. BUT women are more chatty with me, it's less superficial.

Interestingly, my partner says that other men started treating him much more favourably when he started weightlifting and got big (he's pretty huge tbf at 6'4 and naturally big). He says it's funny because the reality is that the slimmer version of himself in his Thai boxing days would wipe the floor with his current self.

Yes. Rolling of eyes, look up and down, glares. I usually wear clothes suitable for dog walking. Very occasionally I wear a dress, and then it's much worse. I used to get depressed about being disliked for seemingly no reason. Luckily I have a few good friends, so not everyone hates me, but my friends are very beautiful and I suppose we understand each other.

Do you think it's possible that people pick up on your perception of yourself as being an incredibly beautiful martyr? The 'I'm so beautiful that normal people don't understand my struggle' thing.

That said, I've defo faced bum envy from a few women before. 😂

I'd say it's the other way round, my less fortunate looking friends are often treated worse by store assistants etc.

Average looking woman here, but I’ve often thought that if you are really beautiful only the most conceited and arrogant men will have the confidence to approach you, the rest will just think you are out of their league.

That makes no sense either though. Unless you and your friends are clones, some of you will think you're better or worse looking than some of the others, surely? So why are the ones who are only quite beautiful not spiteful and jealous of those who are even more beautiful if this is an affliction so common amongst women? Or are you saying it's only unattractive women who are spiteful and jealous? And if so, is there a tipping point of unattractive where the jealousy kicks in, so like the fairytales, the uglier you are on the outside, the uglier on the inside?

Men are definitely suddenly more helpful, generous and nice when they want to fuck you.

Yes and quickly turn nasty / aloof if they realise they are not going to get any action

I find men as jealous of tall men . It's a trigger for them just as weight / body shape is a trigger for women . I had a manger who drove out men taller and better looking than him when he got promoted to management

Possibly ore bitchiness behind their back

but most people are much nicer and helpful, women or men.

Tall men generally are better paid and more successful than short men.

The manager I had was short . I find men have a lot of hang ups about height but hide it more

It’s not really surprising - height is considered desirable - male equivalent of weight - and women are more likely to want to date you if you are tall.

Yes, men are nice when they want something from you. When I was younger I mistook this as meaning men are nicer than women. I've had quite a few stalking problems, it gets nasty pretty fast. And no, I'm not conceited as someone just accused me of being. You don't even know me, I'm sorry you judge based on a generalised idea that a woman who realises she is perhaps conventionally beautiful, is a stuck up bitch. What a shame

That was to Eggwind

I think the 9-10/10s will be treated worse out of intimidation and jealousy, the 6-8s get the best ride and favourable treatment and then <5 is worse but for different reasons to those that are more beautiful.

Ratings out of ten are of course disgusting and subjective even if you subscribe to them, but I use to demonstrate the spectrum.

Well, the beautiful women are different people who dress differently and talk differently. Some are naturally beautiful, others less so, with perhaps obvious procedures.

It could well be something other than the overall "beauty" people are reacting to - judgements based on getting procedures, clothing choices, social class, how they conduct themselves etc.

I think some women will find something to dislike about you if you are attractive.

In my 50s now and I've never flirted with anyone's partner or dressed provocatively to show off my figure. ( I wonder if flirting is just talking to men whilst simultaneously
being attractive in some people eyes though)
I was chronically insecure as a young person and never really regarded myself as as attractive. The behaviour of some women turned me into a massive people pleaser, as I desperately wanted them to like me. It's only as I've got older that women have been more accepting of me.
Can't say it's ever helped me in my career either. I'm now self employed, but one particularly delightful woman I used to work with started a smear campaign telling everyone I had only managed to get my role, because the boss fancied me. I was more qualified and experienced than her.
I have always had female friends throughout my life and do not take the attitude that I dislike women and they are all out to get me, but SOME women will behave appallingly towards you if you are more attractive than them.

So it isn't the beauty.

I'm not beautiful but I've had women take a dislike to me for reasons I don't know.

Well, I don't dress like a dog walker, but I've had this happen a fair bit, especially when I was younger....but I'm not beautiful and never have been.

So what was the reason for me?

@DrSbaitso There are multi million pound industries based around peoples insecurity about their looks, are you saying that no woman ever felt envious of someone better looking than them.
incidentally, I do think being a woman in general is hard and you can’t win, you’re either too attractive, too fat, too thin, too ugly and on and on, but at least there is some kind of validation for how shitty people can be if you’re not conventionally attractive.

I have lots of girl friends but men treat me differently, way more interested in what I have to say. Younger men less so but even that's not a given. I have quite a sophisticated look. Women tend to be really nice, unless it's a new group and they are tied to their husbands. What's dreadful is that I sort of expect it. If I go on a date I almost always get asked out again even when I feel there's zero connection. That being said it's the very confident guys who approach me and on the whole they seem more emotionally unavailable and have commitment issues. Sometimes I look around and see not particularly attractive women who have wonderful home life's and happy families and I feel envious of that.

Its odd to me there's no consensus amongst the beautiful on here. Some saying they get this constantly and others not at all.
Surely if its true that women are horrible to beautiful women, all beautiful women would have experienced this?
I think it's often saying more about how the beautiful woman views herself than it does the views of countless strangers.

When someone says to me that they're always having a problem with women/they don't do female friendships/women are hard work etc, what I take from that is that they're someone who sees value in viewing themselves as "not like the other women". I'd also make a reasonable assumption that someone who goes through life convinced they're not like the other women is likely to behave in a way that means women don't warm to them. (Seriously, womanhood is a very broad camp full of a brilliant range of personalities, temperaments, hobbies, interests, random quirks, relationships etc. If some really can't get on with 50% of the population then they're probably the issue).

In a similar way, if someone is convinced that when they go about day to day life being judged for being beautiful/attractive and it's so hard being attractive because other women don't like attractive women, I conclude that the person probably finds value in viewing themselves as "prettier/more attractive than other women". I'd also suspect, as with the previous example, that a deeply held belief that they are better/more attractive than the other women/other women are envious etc is likely to transfer into their behaviour and mannerisms.

Meanwhile the people who are beautiful/pretty/attractive and don't find their value in a weirdly competitive mindset, get on with a lot of people and probably don't have endless issues with women because it isn't about looks.