Are attractive women treated worse by other women

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My best friend since primary school is a beauty. 5'10, long, thick gorgeous hair, pretty face, nice figure, etc. She's a lovely person too. We were out the other weekend and I noticed other women were really stand off-ish with her (thru no fault of her own, she was V polite and chatty)! I'm average looking, a 6/10 if I'm really dressed up maybe and don't have this problem. Attractive women, is this common?

What many people are struggling with is the extrapolation of a motive of jealousy. It's a significant leap given the 'lived experiences' of both those who define as beautiful and those who don't, and plays into some rather unpleasant and offensive views of women.
This.

It doesn't seem rocket science that women with shitty views of women might not come across well to other women.

No, I think the better looking you are the better you are treated all round. This has been my experience from both sides, as in I can look amazing and like dog poo. I also enjoy being around attractive women and looking at them and find it works both ways.

Yep men love looking at women . They all do it caught my O/H doing it loads of times . Men like other men to see them chatting to attractive women. I do think that attractive women have it tougher than good looking men, as they get hostility from other women and unwanted sexual attention from men who don't like it when they get knocked back . Although men can be jealous if a man is good looking and over 6ft and successful.

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Good observation. Grooming and posture is very important. That's why average looking people are deemed good looking and treated better. A lot of it is packaging , smoke and mirrors.

Attractive women also have it harder when they get pregnant or grow older and coping with the changes and how the world (men in particular) are now reacting to them. But they benefitted from extra perks and an easier ride earlier on so I suppose it balances out.

Men do look, but most will be just window shopping either not single or too intimidated to pursue... also from the pool of men giving her attention some as if not most will be unattractive inside and out men. It's not just handsome and decent guys looking respectfully it will also be the pervs. At least if you're less attractive you get less harassed. Honestly, getting fatter and older has given me more freedom of invisibility which was always the secret power I wished for... thinking of slimming down for my own health but already dreading the increased male attention....

It's not just handsome and decent guys looking respectfully it will also be the pervs.

Handsome guys can be pervy.

Of course! I stand corrected.

Can you point out where I have said that you are jealous and not just mere jealousy...

Here: "I don’t hang around the threads looking to put the beauties back in their box."

Clear implication: you only come on to these threads to put beautiful women down because you're jealous.

Nope. I was implying that you are arrogant and superior to think you can answer on behalf of others. Needn't have bothered you've done a pretty good job without my help.

Yes, I know you didn't use thoseexact wordsso you're probably going to pretend you don't understand implication or rhetoric. However, everyone else does and it's obvious to anyone who isn't stupid or disingenuous that that's exactly what you were saying.

See above.

So as before...since you think merely being on a thread is proof that I'm jealous of you (and I only have your Internet word that you're a hottie anyway), there's no point in engaging. You've already decided that envy is my motivation for, well, anything I say here at all.

Have you thought of seeking assistance with this.

I can't stop you from believing that. But I think it tells us a lot about the fact that by your own admission you are much disliked...and how likely it is that it really is just because everyone's jealous of you.

You've taken something quite personal and vulnerable I have said upthread and twisted it around to fit your narrative. Do feel free not to bother replying or engaging anymore, no loss over here.

Nope. I was implying that you are arrogant and superior to think you can answer on behalf of others.

I don't know how you can think acknowledging that people are saying different things is speaking for them. I'm sure you'll put it down to jealousy somehow because that's all you've got.

See above.

That's not an answer.

Have you thought of seeking assistance with this.

Neither is that.

You've taken something quite personal and vulnerable I have said upthread and twisted it around to fit your narrative

As predicted, a pretence not to understand implication or rhetoric.

You weren't "personal and vulnerable", you were insulting, accusatory, dishonest and attempted to imply that my very presence on the thread is proof of my jealousy of your self-defined beauty. Keep going, you're showing yourself up marvellously.

If women react so badly en masse to beautiful women, why are there so many beautiful women in female-marketed goods? From Barbie dolls to chick flicks. Margot Robbie is very popular along women; she's a fantastic actress, but if we are so likely to hate a stunner on sight, why does she do so well with us?

Even in the classic 00s Mean Girls style films, our heroine was always always least as pretty as the bullies. In fact, they usually cast an actress who was the most objectively beautiful of them all. Her character just had a more demure, understated style.

Hmm I think it depends. As a beautiful woman you draw out other women’s insecurities so you have to work harder to mollify these by making them feel like you really like them.

I have beautiful friends who are very vivacious and confident and they are very popular with other women. I’m personally more reserved and have had trouble in the past.

I think if you’re beautiful you have to be aware of the power dynamics with other women, you have to be friendlier and more welcoming to offset the jealously others may feel.

Women who are beautiful but reserved and standoffish are definitely disliked more than women who aren’t beautiful but reserved. For example, women might be generous and kind towards a quiet woman who isn’t good looking, assuming perhaps that they are just shy, they will often project negative motives on to the same personality but a good looking woman (e.g “look at her thinking she’s too good for us!” Etc).

In a word... yes. But I don't think it's just down to looks. Whilst attractive, slim, confident, charismatic people are generally treated well, in my experience, women don't like other women being 'too' anything: Be pretty... but not too pretty. Have a nice figure... but not an incredible one. Be confident... but not too confident (for fear you will outshine others). Be successful... but not too successful etc (Caveat: UNLESS they possess those qualities themselves, then those women will bond).
Equally, men tend to admire these traits so, it's not uncommon for these women to get on better with men... which annoys the already annoyed women even more!

Equally, men tend to admire these traits so, it's not uncommon for these women to get on better with men... which annoys the already annoyed women even more!

Only if you assume that male attention is the ultimate goal for all women.

A lot of the attention from men has a sexual undercurrent to it and they will push boundaries to see how far they can go . If a good looking woman knocks them back it can turn very ugly . If a beautiful woman smiles and laughs with a man she's flirting and being manipulative. If she doesn't smile snd be pleasant she's stuck up and miserable. If a pain woman dies the same thing she's bring bubbly and has a nice personality. If she doesn't laugh and smile she's just feeling down .

Read this.

Exactly this!

Not the ultimate goal, no. Just human nature.

I think it's instinctive in women to resent beautiful women. I confess to feeling a little jolt of envy if I see one . Some women just hide it some women act on it and are nasty

I think it's instinctive in women to resent beautiful women. I confess to feeling a little jolt of envy if I see one . Some women just hide it some women act on it and are nasty
Why is it instinctive for women to resent beautiful women?

When you drill down into this I suspect that, a bit like the jealousy arguments, it seems to come down to misogynistic assumptions that women are either naturally jealous/resentful by nature or they're in competition with anyone who better fits the male gaze expectations.

We are just mammals at the end of the day. Why do we even bother to ever try to look nice? Subconsciously as animals we want to attract the healthiest mate we can in order to produce the healthiest offspring to fulfill our subconscious desire to continue our species. Better looking women are competition. This is biology

I think it's instinctive in women to resent beautiful women. I confess to feeling a little jolt of envy if I see one . Some women just hide it some women act on it and are nasty

I honestly don't resent them. I think I should make more efforts if I want to be in the same league, but I have no resentment.

I do envy people with a luxury lifestyle, I really do!

Maybe it's instinctive to you. If I felt resentment every time I saw a woman who was prettier than I was, I'd never leave the bloody house. Some women are prettier than I am, some are richer, some are smarter. I'm more likely to be jealous of the cleverer ones, tbh.

Evolutionary biology isn't the catch-all that so many people think it is. For a start, it doesn't account for gay people.

I don't think that's universally true and sounds like one of those myths born out of prejudice and misogyny. If anything, I actually enjoy looking at beautiful women/men and if appropriate I compliment them.

Again, if women are generally inclined to react badly to beautiful women...why are Barbie and princess dolls/characters so popular? Why are women the main audience for burlesque and belly dance stars? Why are beautiful female pop stars usually marketed to women? Why is it almost always women who own Marilyn Monroe paraphernalia? Why are there always stunners on the cover of women's magazines?

Could be aspirational, in fact it probably is, but that's not resentment or bad feeling. It sells! It means we like being around it!

And if it's all about competition for a mate etc, why don't these same stereotypes exist for men? Why isn't there an assumption that men all hate taller, richer or better looking men? Or that any time a man doesn't get on with a more attractive one, it's because of jealousy?

Actually yes. Men do feel intimidated by taller and more attractive and successful men But it's socially acceptable for men to be competitive and the more successful are just accepted. Whereas for women, this is social suicide and hence women who are more beautiful/successful in any way are treated badly.