Trans etc at school / all going too far?

[Peverellshire]

AIBU to think that there are a growing number of below 16s identifying as opposite gender?

Incidents in school where pupils called out for not acknowledging ‘Brian is now fully Bryony’. Etc. As example.

AIBU to think that these sensitive discussions and explorations should all be realised, if appropriate, post school, when children are young adults? For many reasons. Pref Pronouns in primary school, ok?

Imagine a community that supposedly cares so much about girls and women that celebrates the use of the term ‘bonus hole’ instead of vagina.

Supposedly, this community is about teaching people to love themselves for who they are. Yet, expressed not one shred of concern over the self hatred of using the term ‘bonus hole’!

How long before we see this self hatred, pornified term being mentioned in documents aimed at children?

Affirming only seems to mean affirming the use of these terms by female people who hate their body, thus affirming that hatred and not doing enough to treat the cause of why that might be. Just assuming that it is dysphoria at the heart of the self hatred. Which this term reinforces.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4838405-bonus-hole?page=1

Do you think people who transition are stupid?

Not innately, no. Many are above avergae IQ. But wishful thinking leads to poor decision making.

Do you think they haven’t researched the surgery?

Some more than others. And the information is incomplete and not always clearly or fairly presented. Some information simply doesn't exist and is an unknown, and some of what does exist is ignored.

We know that when people make a decision that means a lot to them they usually minimise the potential downsides. We also know that people are poor at making balanced risk assessments unless they train and practice hard. And thirdly we know that most people prioritise a short-term satisfaction over long term danger (e.g. smoking) And we know children and teenagers are the worst for this.

To me, that tells me just how distressed someone is by their gender identity not matching their physical body, that they will accept that risk as an improvement.

Well yes, you and a lot of gender clinicians, to their patients' detriment. Clinicians should not be using the same short term thinking as their patients. But too many gender clinicians do seem to reason that the downsides will never happen, or that the patient will still feel the same when the downsides actually do happen, or they don't expect their patients to be happy in the long term anyway.

So you’re essentially saying ‘be you, but we won’t accept who you say you are’… and you wonder why people don’t want to accept that?

Of course people don't want to accept that other people wont take them at face value, that they can't just say who they are and have everyone go along with it. Accepting that you can't be who you want to be is hard, whatever the reason. Broke my heart that I was never going to be Miss World. That's part of growing up. You can't be Peter Pan forever.

Puberty is hard but we survive it. And there are better ways to support girls with autism through puberty than trying to let them out of it altogether. It makes the fear and trauma worse if you tell girls they shouldn't be going through it.

I think you’ll find that outside the mn microcosm there are many people who disagree with you.

Being in a minority doesn't automatically make one wrong. Does it?

This

And the information is incomplete and not always clearly or fairly presented. Some information simply doesn't exist and is an unknown, and some of what does exist is ignored.

Indeed.

And there is very little properly set up peer-reviewed research.

Possibly because there are some emerging trends in the research which IS actually published (avoiding academic cancellation) which suggest that the outcomes for medical transition are not uniformly good. That there are still high level of depression, that gender dysphoria isn’t necessarily resolved, and that social indicators such as employment and ability to sustain personal relationships are not good.