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To think men can NEVER be mothers

282 replies

Leafstamp · 29/06/2023 13:35

I am furious that men like this think they can call themselves mums/mothers. This deserves a wide audience, hence posting in AIBU.

(11) Paul Embery on Twitter: "ITV news did a piece about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. So naturally they got a man to play the part. t.co/b0ipO7loUE" / Twitter

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

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FemaleAndLearning · 29/06/2023 18:53

A male/man cannot be a mother. The word mother is taken by women/females.
I'm very concerned about the breast pump given that Australian man who was "breastfeeding" his baby a cocktail of chemically induced liquid from his nipple. Is this man doing the same. If do it's child abuse. I wonder if he transitioned during his wife's pregnancy like Mr Breast's co star?

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 18:54

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/06/2023 18:33

Mika ( the person loading the washing) is the one who has tried to abolish public transport announcements using ‘Ladies and Gentlemen’ as a form of address. Apparently it is ‘exclusive’ to people like Mika who have ‘changed from one category into another’ , although one might think that that is a bit self contradictory. If you now identify as a chap or a chick, although you used to do it the other way round , why don’t you just identify with the now correct term? ‘I’m a lady’ as they used to say on Little Britain.

So how is a generally accepted gendered term like ‘mum’ not exclusive and giving hurt feelings to Mika? Why not just say parent and avoid the anguish of categorisation?

Was it not Aimee Challenor who had that dubious achievement?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/london-tube-scraps-ladies-and-gentlemen-announcements-180964052/

London Tube Scraps 'Ladies and Gentlemen' Announcements

Officials say they want all passengers to feel welcome on the Underground

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/london-tube-scraps-ladies-and-gentlemen-announcements-180964052

Ameanstreakamilewide · 29/06/2023 18:56

Hearing his name sends a cold shiver down my spine. Not unlike Jimmy Saville, really

Skatingwaiting · 29/06/2023 19:03

It’s almost as if some invisible powers in society tried to revert us to 50s housewives in the last few years, with all the weird social cleaning contagion like mrs hinch, the mummy bloggers, the pin up perfect social media standards and when we didn’t comply the last resort now is to get these men in to cosplay the 50s mummy role.
And a breastpump for a man is utterly repulsive 🤢

Oldnproud · 29/06/2023 19:05

I am pretty sure that someone used the word 'mother', though whether it was the parent or ITV, I couldn't say. I will be watching with interest if it is shown again.

Just out of interest, I would like to know how many people watched that and didn't question it in their mind one way or another!

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 19:08

Oldnproud · 29/06/2023 19:05

I am pretty sure that someone used the word 'mother', though whether it was the parent or ITV, I couldn't say. I will be watching with interest if it is shown again.

Just out of interest, I would like to know how many people watched that and didn't question it in their mind one way or another!

'that's tough if you're a mum like me, already struggling to get the things that my kid needs'

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

Naunet · 29/06/2023 19:09

GiraffeDoor · 29/06/2023 17:35

Why is the premise of this whole article that energy/water bills affect mothers more than fathers anyway? My husband does probably 75% of the laundry in our house (for no reason other than I hate it).

I'm no fan of banning the word "woman" or "mother", but this absolutely is an example of a situation which never needed to be gendered in the first place.

Well it probably does when thinking about single parent families, where most of the time it’s the mother who is the resident parent. More washes, more baths and showers, more washing up and dishwasher runs etc.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 19:09

Also, why is the washing up bowl being used for four small items of laundry?

Skatingwaiting · 29/06/2023 19:13

@ArabeIIaScott i reckon it’s because in his role as perfect 50s housewife, all he does is wash stuff all day and doesn’t accumulate a years worth of laundry like a real woman. So he only has to wash like two things because he’s just so on top of everything. Or perhaps Im just judging by my own (low) standards.

Naunet · 29/06/2023 19:14

I’m guessing it’s because he doesn’t know where the birthing parent keeps the laundry basket.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 19:19

FFS, it's on the bed, filled with dirty clothes. Or clean clothes. Or on a bad day, a mixture of both.

Boiledbeetle · 29/06/2023 19:20

A man can never be a mother. A woman can never be a father. Doesn't matter what clothes they wear, what legal documents say is their current sex, what toilet and changing room facilities they use.

If a man, the kind that are born male, states they are a woman or a mother then that man is a liar.

Oldnproud · 29/06/2023 19:22

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 19:08

'that's tough if you're a mum like me, already struggling to get the things that my kid needs'

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

Thank you. I didn't think I had imagined .

Oioicaptain · 29/06/2023 19:47

It's all rather 'Little Britain' isn't it. "I am a lady. I am a LADY!..look, I have a washing up bowl and a breast pump. I like to do the washing up and pump my breasts because I am a lady!"

lifeturnsonadime · 29/06/2023 20:07

I want to know what the fuck he uses that breast pump for.

No one will convince me that this is not just a bloke performing a fetish. Absolutely astonishing that ITV have given it airtime.

Such an insult to women and mothers.

Baldieheid · 29/06/2023 20:31

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 19:09

Also, why is the washing up bowl being used for four small items of laundry?

Because he's never actually done a load of laundry in his life, and nobody in the production team dared correct him in case he had a temper transtum.

garfieldeatscake · 29/06/2023 20:37

Hypocrisy in action on so many levels, and so out of touch with parents (mother and or father) who are struggling financially. If that clip was meant to be berating the water company, it totally failed.

Primrosefrill · 29/06/2023 21:18

I’m sick of this. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious.

anotherside · 29/06/2023 22:43

@Clymene

It's not a mystical 6th sense but babies are more comfortable with their mothers because they were born recognising our smell, sound, movement and taste. We are home

The original argument was that women have some kind of instinct that fathers lack. So if we admit that’s incorrect, now your argument is that children feel “more comfortable” with the mother? Again - incorrect. No evidence to support it. Following birth, babies feel more comfortable with their primary caregiver. I have a friend who’s one year old would scream for his dad whenever he left despite having a perfectly/equally good mum there. Because - shock, horror - dad was the primary care giver aka spent more time with the baby and meeting its needs. It really is that simple.

Clymene · 29/06/2023 22:48

anotherside · 29/06/2023 22:43

@Clymene

It's not a mystical 6th sense but babies are more comfortable with their mothers because they were born recognising our smell, sound, movement and taste. We are home

The original argument was that women have some kind of instinct that fathers lack. So if we admit that’s incorrect, now your argument is that children feel “more comfortable” with the mother? Again - incorrect. No evidence to support it. Following birth, babies feel more comfortable with their primary caregiver. I have a friend who’s one year old would scream for his dad whenever he left despite having a perfectly/equally good mum there. Because - shock, horror - dad was the primary care giver aka spent more time with the baby and meeting its needs. It really is that simple.

Yes, it really is that simple. Babies recognise the sound, smell, taste and touch of the women who gave birth to them.

Rainbowshit · 29/06/2023 23:02

Is there nothing these males won't try to appropriate?! And what's with the breast pump? 🤔

Rainbowshit · 29/06/2023 23:11

Bromptotoo · 29/06/2023 17:24

Let's start with definitions.

Why not just accept the person in that extract is a woman?

Because that person is quite clearly male. I will never accept the word for my sex Being redefined to include males.

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 29/06/2023 23:18

Naunet · 29/06/2023 19:14

I’m guessing it’s because he doesn’t know where the birthing parent keeps the laundry basket.

This

SamW98 · 29/06/2023 23:23

Oioicaptain · 29/06/2023 19:47

It's all rather 'Little Britain' isn't it. "I am a lady. I am a LADY!..look, I have a washing up bowl and a breast pump. I like to do the washing up and pump my breasts because I am a lady!"

OMG it really is.

I mean obviously there are absolutely no other mothers who could have been available gif this segment - being such a teeny tiny subsection of society.

Im all for live and let live but things like this are just farcical