To not be able to stop thinking about the Titan tragedy?

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I cannot get those poor men out of my mind. It seems to have quietened down in the news now, but every so often I catch myself thinking of them and their poor families who are now having to adjust to life without them.

It is so, so sad.

I feel very sorry indeed for the lad who was dragged along, and also sorry for the others, who didn't deserve to die, however risky their choice to do it. However...

the bloke who basically shilled them all out of their money and their lives.

Now that it's all emerging, if Rush hadn't been on this trip and died with them, he would have been facing some very harsh punishment, financial ruin and been considered a social pariah for the rest of his life.

I’ve been thinking about it purely because I find it so fascinating that they were essentially liquified from the implosion and then turned to dust from the explosion (which always happens after an implosion). To think you’re there one minute and you’re dust the next, quicker than you can blink has just blown my mind to be honest. It’s not the worst way to go and I think it happened shortly after their descent.

So what about every other poor fucker in the world who died last week? Many suffer in silence children , men, women, millions in dreadful circumstances or do migrants only make your list to pull the OP up on. 🥱

Absolutely agree.
They were there by choice.
Migrants also by choice. But what a stark one. Not the same. I have little sympathy for the rich folk. More money than sense.

Here we go. The two are nowhere near comparable.

From what I’ve read it seems to have been a tourist vessel rather than a research vessel.

Titan really was not designed with research in mind: it was designed to carry five people, instead of two or three, to the sea floor. The Titan, to my knowledge, does not have manipulators for sampling. It does not have any of the scientific equipment we might use for measurements, and it does not appear to have some of the other kinds of sensors, beacons and other systems that we use in research, that are also important just to maintain contact.

Bunch of billionaire thrill seekers - their choice.
Less so for the dozens of people that risked their lives in the attempted rescue.
Or the hundreds crammed on the migrant ship off Greece.

Who said the OP didn't feel sorry for migrants crossing? Why on earth can't one feel sorry for somebody/something, without being made to feel guilty? You and the other lefties aren't gatekeepers of sadness and guilt.

Exactly this.

Now that it's all emerging, if Rush hadn't been on this trip and died with them, he would have been facing some very harsh punishment, financial ruin and been considered a social pariah for the rest of his life.

Ah yes, the vainglorious Mr Rush. Definitely the least deserving of much, if any, sympathy in my view. I'd like to think there'd be a warm jail cell awaiting him somewhere if he hadn't been on the doomed trip. But then I remember John Landis' hijinks on the set of the Twilight Zone and the fact he never served a single day's jail time...

The OP can post what they want about what THEY feel sad about, at any given time. THEY dont need to be bullied about THEIR thoughts.

If it was my family members I'd be pissed off with them to be honest. Massively risky waste of money .

That is right, the people on the boats are not doing it for recreational purposes.

I think you need to get out more, and get a hobby @coraldiamond Of course, it's a bad thing that happened, and it's very sad, but far, far worse things happen across the world that involve many more thousands of people.

I don't understand why you 'can't stop thinking about it.' If somebody was in there you knew, I would get it...' But to not be able to stop thinking about it shows you have got too much time on your hands.

I read somewhere once that no one could really take in the enormity of the number of people killed in the holocaust, but everyone could sympathise with Anne Frank. This is analogous. You have heard a lot about the people concerned, and can look past their privilege and foolishness to feel compassion. The many more people who have perished through no fault of their own trying to reach a safe haven are no less worthy of compassion, but you should not feel guilty about how you feel. Perhaps a gesture such as a donation to a rescue charity might help you move on.

Yeah, it was a perfectly nice death for the 19 year old lad. Hope his mum isn't reading this.

^ spend some time on end of life wards. People don't like to think about it. But there is such a thing as a good death.

Crikey they're all out tonight in this thread. That's enough internet for me today!

I think it was the grim countdown of the oxygen levels OP (before we know about the implosion). Also (again before we knew about the implosion) the thought of being so far down under the sea, lost, in the dark. It was such a horrid thought.
It reminds me of those boys stuck in the Thai cave with air running out and water rising. It’s just such a horrible thought of being trapped and dying.
It’s sort of similar to when a person goes missing and it’s on the news and you keep hearing more things about the persons life, you wonder what they are going through, if they are suffering.
Of you hear about it after the fact, it doesn’t seem to leave you with all the thoughts about what they went through.
The whole implosion thing so deep underwater and all the videos of what happens in an implosion, the videos of other people going down in the same sub, I’m with you OP, I think about it and how horrible it was.
Even though we now know it was a very quick death, the countdown on how much longer they had to live has left its mark on me.

I wouldn't say I was upset about it but I am interested in it and what the consequences of this will be. Had Rush just listened to the seemingly countless warnings he received about the safety of his vessel all of this could have been prevented.

The more that comes out about Oceangate, their practices and Rush in particular the more it seems that this tragic event was an inevitability. He was convinced he was right and that was his downfall. It is incredibly sad that he took four other people with him when it turned out he was so very wrong. My heart breaks in particular for Suleman, who if his aunt is to be believed did not want to go but did it for his dad. His poor mother must be in pieces.

People are obviously going to be interested in this story, a submersible implodes whilst on the way to visit the most famous shipwreck in the world, both destroyed by man's misplaced faith in machinery over nature.

No they are not, which is why it's not comparable. It's just another virtue signalling exercise.

I guess every time there's a tragedy, the virtue signallers, always have an (incongruous) analogy to guilt trip others.

It was sad, but also avoidable. People die in accidents, or from illness, all the time, and many of those incidents are far, far, worse. There is nothing wrong with being sad, but not being able to stop thinking about it is not healthy.

Do you have anything in common (like a 19yo)? I work in a hospital and there was a pediatric death of a child the same age and gender as my own. I never looked after the child or knew the details (apart from that they tried absolutely everything possible) but I literally couldn't get it out of my head and slept in beside my son to make sure he was OK for a few nights.

This. ^

This. ^