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To not be able to stop thinking about the Titan tragedy?

210 replies

coraldiamond · 25/06/2023 20:31

I cannot get those poor men out of my mind. It seems to have quietened down in the news now, but every so often I catch myself thinking of them and their poor families who are now having to adjust to life without them.

It is so, so sad.

OP posts:
Babyluigi · 25/06/2023 21:00

I've got no sympathy for their situation and don't think it could be called a tragedy tbh. I was really sad and dwelling on the news stories about the monkeys recently

MissingMoominMamma · 25/06/2023 21:00

usernother · 25/06/2023 20:37

How predictable

But pertinent nonetheless.

00100001 · 25/06/2023 21:01

Mademetoxic · 25/06/2023 20:44

The rich privileged have paid a damn lot more tax than you or I will ever pay in our lives.

What the fuck has that got to do with anything??

EmeraldFox · 25/06/2023 21:03

Mademetoxic · 25/06/2023 20:44

The rich privileged have paid a damn lot more tax than you or I will ever pay in our lives.

They still walk away with far more than their share of resources.

Tomateen · 25/06/2023 21:04

MonkeyPuddle · 25/06/2023 20:37

But not those who perish at sea on small boat crossings? Trapped like sardines without food or fluids escaping war and persecution in hope of a better life?
All lives lost before their time is sad, but educated men who choose to travel in a vessel with safety concerns for a jolly is vastly different.

No one’s life is worth any more than anyone else’s.

Crazycatlady83 · 25/06/2023 21:04

EmeraldFox · 25/06/2023 20:34

Do you feel the same when people on migrant boats drown?

People don't have limited sympathy, the OP can feel sorry for more than one person / situation at a time. There was a girl of 15 today pulled from the sea and later died in hospital and a little boy of 5 who died in Padstow. OP hasn't mentioned them, but I'm sure she feels sympathy for them and their family. This thread is about the submersible, just because OP hasn't mentioned everyone who died at sea this week, don't mean she doesn't have sympathy for them.

Mademetoxic · 25/06/2023 21:06

00100001 · 25/06/2023 21:01

What the fuck has that got to do with anything??

The same could be said to you about the migrants. This thread is not about them.

Start your own thread about them if you wish to discuss them.

This is about the titan.

BrownEyesBlueSkies · 25/06/2023 21:07

There’s already a thread about this, full of grief vultures, can you not just join that one OP. They’re all trying to outdo each other on who has cried more, who is more upset, who knew what first.

HaroldMeaker · 25/06/2023 21:08

I have a 19 yr old and i feel terribly sorry for his mother. And him of course.

00100001 · 25/06/2023 21:10

Mademetoxic · 25/06/2023 21:06

The same could be said to you about the migrants. This thread is not about them.

Start your own thread about them if you wish to discuss them.

This is about the titan.

I didn't start the migrants conversation...

Coyoacan · 25/06/2023 21:15

No one’s life is worth any more than anyone else’s

I totally agree but the media coverage and the humungous difference in resources used to save five men as opposed to the total indifference of world governments to the fate of the migrants does stick in the graw.

ModestMoon · 25/06/2023 21:20

I felt like this after those poor children in the US got attacked and killed at school last year. I couldn't stop thinking about it, and still now I have moments when I stop feel despair about it. Equally as horrific things have happened since, and before, but that one I can't shake.

MavisMcMinty · 25/06/2023 21:22

I have been fascinated by the whole thing, although it’s pretty much all over now bar the law suits. But I have always told my friends and family that if I were to die in a spectacular, unusual manner, they must make it clear at my funeral that I’d have been thrilled to have died from a tiger/polar bear/shark attack, something memorable, rather than “after a long illness”.

saraclara · 25/06/2023 21:29

Crazycatlady83 · 25/06/2023 21:04

People don't have limited sympathy, the OP can feel sorry for more than one person / situation at a time. There was a girl of 15 today pulled from the sea and later died in hospital and a little boy of 5 who died in Padstow. OP hasn't mentioned them, but I'm sure she feels sympathy for them and their family. This thread is about the submersible, just because OP hasn't mentioned everyone who died at sea this week, don't mean she doesn't have sympathy for them.

But it's this incident that OP 'can't get out of her mind'
She is literally asking if she's being unreasonable To not be able to stop thinking about the Titan tragedy

She's said that yes, the migrant boat incident was sad too, but of the two marine disasters in the space of a week or so, it's the billionaires that she can't get out of her mind. Not the hundred children locked in a hold, slowly drowning along with their mothers.

So yes, in anger to her question, I think she's BU.

saraclara · 25/06/2023 21:29

Ugh. In answer, not anger.

EmeraldFox · 25/06/2023 21:34

saraclara · 25/06/2023 21:29

But it's this incident that OP 'can't get out of her mind'
She is literally asking if she's being unreasonable To not be able to stop thinking about the Titan tragedy

She's said that yes, the migrant boat incident was sad too, but of the two marine disasters in the space of a week or so, it's the billionaires that she can't get out of her mind. Not the hundred children locked in a hold, slowly drowning along with their mothers.

So yes, in anger to her question, I think she's BU.

Yes, exactly this. Also the dedicated titan threads in Chat are up to thread five so she is also BU to start yet another.

Ponoka7 · 25/06/2023 21:35

Babyluigi · 25/06/2023 21:00

I've got no sympathy for their situation and don't think it could be called a tragedy tbh. I was really sad and dwelling on the news stories about the monkeys recently

The bit that made me sad was that the son had to go in with his Dad, to get to spend father's Day with him, even though it terrified him. He died trying to make his Dad proud of him.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 25/06/2023 21:36

Yeah, it’s sad. But I find it utterly fucking baffling the amount of airtime, column inches (and now the - what - 4th or 5th? - MN thread) that’s been dedicated to the deaths of 2 exceedingly privileged thrill tourists, one poor kid who got dragged along by his dad, an expert who understood the risk he was being paid to take and the bloke who basically shilled them all out of their money and their lives.

Not to mention the huge coordinated international rescue attempts and 24/7 rolling commentary giving us minute-by-minute updates on the possible whereabouts of this one tiny, shonky, unfit-for-purpose sub that was basically engaged in a ghoulish inspection of a mass grave site (which has already been extensively photographed and documented for the benefit of anyone who’s interested).

This was not a ‘tragedy’. It was a totally unnecessary, utterly avoidable and highly predictable accident. And if the reporting is accurate, their deaths were instantaneous.

It’s not virtue signalling or blunt reductiveness to compare it to the coverage of, and international response to, the sinking of migrant boats contains tens or even hundreds of desperate people. People who have given everything they have (though probably not a quarter of a million quid each) to bring their children on board equally shonky vessels, not for shits and giggles but because they have run out of options. People who don’t get vaporised in a heartbeat, but drown or freeze in terror and watch their loved ones doing the same. There’s rarely been such a stark demonstration in the media of the relative value placed on lives.

Sorry if this is sitting with you, OP, and yes, it’s a horrible accident, but in the wider context it feels like a pretty strange thing to be dwelling on.

JamSandle · 25/06/2023 21:37

EmeraldFox · 25/06/2023 20:34

Do you feel the same when people on migrant boats drown?

Oh for fucks sake 🙄

Bexx87 · 25/06/2023 21:38

I've been thinking a lot about it too. The 19 year old looked so much like my own son. I know that's irrational but it still made me sad.

Creepyrosemary · 25/06/2023 21:39

EmeraldFox · 25/06/2023 20:34

Do you feel the same when people on migrant boats drown?

I once read about that. Well, not exactly migrant boats (or maybe it was, fon't remember), but the fact that for most people it is easier to feel empathy for the misery of one or several people but feel less when the numbers are higher. It becomes more faceless then.

JanesBlond · 25/06/2023 21:40

I can’t get over how predictable it seemed with what’s now coming out about the safety of the sub. I read an article posted on another thread on here that said they had reduced the maximum safe depth rating to 3000 metres (not enough to reach the bottom) and it sounds like they basically reached that depth and then imploded. So tragic how foreseeable this was and yet the CEO pushed ahead anyway. I hope there was a split second where he realised what he’d done.

BrownEyesBlueSkies · 25/06/2023 21:42

Yes, exactly this. Also the dedicated titan threads in Chat are up to thread five so she is also BU to start yet another.

Yep. OP needs to prove she is the most upset by having her own thread. Ffs. Just another grief thief.

Do these people not think everyone else feels for these people but it goes without saying that it’s fucking tragic. It’s like they must just say every thought that’s in their fucking head!

mrwalkensir · 25/06/2023 21:43

I feel extremely sorry for the 19 year old. But very relieved that it was quick! Rich men splurging money on something that was clearly foolish...

jillmoan · 25/06/2023 21:43

What upsets me most is thinking of them being instantly liquified. I've had nightmares about it.

So I was more disturbed emotionally for the nutty putty cave incident and imagining what that young man went through mentally.

But as the people in the sub had no idea, I think more of the physical side of things. Like them just sitting there as a full human being one minute, just like the rest of us then squished like ant instantly. Bones, flesh, blood, just nothingness in the water.

My brain struggles to comprehend how you can be here one minute then literally gone the next.