To not be able to stop thinking about the Titan tragedy?

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I cannot get those poor men out of my mind. It seems to have quietened down in the news now, but every so often I catch myself thinking of them and their poor families who are now having to adjust to life without them.

It is so, so sad.

I don’t think you need to be unpleasant about it. That teen boy should not have been there, the rest of them were having a high risk adventure - and why not? Is no different from climbing K2 or signing up for space X.

It wouldn’t do if we were all the same. Their estates will cover the rescue effort costs and some.

People can feel sorry for more than one group of people at once. OP feeling sorry for the families of the men lost in the submersible doesn't mean she thinks anyone else dying at sea, like migrants, is is less tragic. I could say how about the poor girl who drowned at the beach yesterday. ALL are extremely sad and tragic. It's not death top trumps.

It's because it's more relatable and "that could have been me/my son/my dad".. a lot of people have been on tourist excursions of a similar nature and could possibly consider they would do that trip if they had the funds/interest etc

.... People generally can't relate to people desperately fleeing a country that isn't safe, have watched their wife been raped, their neighbours kids abducted, shelling from artillery at any given moment, roaming bands of thugs, and have been subsequently shoved onto a boat that they'd given some traffickers all of their money too in the desperate hope they'll reach a safe country with their baby and toddler and get some sort of respite.

It's sad but also eminently predictable - who on earth WOULDN'T have predicted that a trip on what amounts to a home-made submarine could go horribly badly wrong?

I also don't think that pointing out the inequality of resources used in attempting rescue or recovery is unreasonable. It's a pretty sad illustration of some people being more equal than others.

Yes it’s very sad, and I think all the memes and horrible comments are disgusting, but………. Millions of people die every day, including lots in worse situations.

The rich privileged have paid a damn lot more tax than you or I will ever pay in our lives.

Yep. This.

I can think of a dozen news stories from this week that I felt more pity on reading.

I mean, it's not that sad in the grand scheme.of things is it

Oh bless you dear... it must be very demanding and draining to be such a kind and wonderful person.

If it’s genuinely affecting that much, see your GP. It’s not healthy or sustainable for things on the news to affect you that much.

There’s lots of grief vultures around though so I hope it’s not just another one of those threads.

Why? What are you thinking about? It’s a bit odd to be preoccupied with 5 random men that took a risk and died isn’t it?

Jesus is that how some of you operate. You can only give a shit about one thing at a time? Or is there some new mumsnet ruling that you can only post about the thing you care about most in the entire world?

I'm with you OP I think it's a very sad situation and I feel very sorry for their families. I also care about many other things, imagine that.

The rich privileged have paid a damn lot more tax than you or I will ever pay in our lives

I doubt it. Here in Mexico, the rich and their companies managed to avoid paying taxes for many years. I know amazon and starbucks still don't pay much in the way of taxes in the UK and I doubt that Pakistan is very good at getting its rich to pay either.

I'm sorry for them, of course, but I can't believe they paid much in the way of taxes

No, it's not. They are not constantly on my mind like in the OP's case. However 500 people versus 5. Desperate people versus billionaires on a thrill ride. Why fixate on those 5? Though I do feel for the 19 year old's mother.

I feel.sorry for the young lad who was apparently terrified but did it for his dad
Its very sad but it was a very privileged voyage and absolutely not necessary.

FFS, have a day off.

This for me too I’m afraid.

A woman died in a village near me in her car today, freak accident. An ordinary woman on her way to work leaving two little children and a husband behind.

I find that very sad.

Those men knew the risks and chose to seek the thill, a thrill their fat wallets allowed them to pay for, exception made for the young lad who felt pressured by all accounts.

I would imagine it's the boy that stays in your mind and the fact he didn't really want to do the trip. So tragic.

OP they wouldn't have even noticed it happen. The combustion happens quicker than the brain reacts. Try not to dwell.

I actually stopped thinking much of it once the implosion was announced. The thought of suffocating slowly in their tin can sounded awful, but the reality is they died instantly with zero knowledge it was happening. Sucks to be them but no pain or mental anguish or fear was involved.

It's life, people die.

Quite. Using that terrible tragedy to make a cheap gotcha point is beyond shitty.

OP, I suspect it’s because we were all fed a narrative of there being a race against the clock to save them which was extremely emotionally engaging, and then it turned out to be the wrong narrative as they’d actually died very quickly. If it had simply been a news item saying “today some people died attempting to view the Titanic” you would not have been half so engaged by it. It’s the hope that gets you, and in this case that hope was misplaced. It’s a very sad story and you’re not wrong to find it affecting.

Why keep on saying this? Do you feel sad about genocide? You know far more people die in genocide so that trumps a migrant boat going down. Do people ask you if you wasn't sadder about Syria when you get upset about migrant boats?

Or is it just looking for the most tragic death at sea? In which case why aren't you more upset about full ferry's going down? It's top trumps so pick your worthy tragedy. More people die on ferry disasters.

Do you also ask people who lose parents why they aren't more upset for others that loose children?

Or when your kids drops a lolly and cries you point out mass rapes in Africa and tell them to get a gripe as by now they would be a sex slave in a trafficking ring? Because its all true and far, far more tragic. It really is. It honestly is more tragic for a ferry going down and everyone dieing. But it doesn't trump every death at sea since before or after due to volume. You can in fact cry to see a dead baby bird fall from its nest AND cry about a child washed out too sea. Deaths of migrants and rich people all dead before their time.

Or maybe not.

Totally agree. Posters on here won't allow you to have empathy for anyone rich though, it's a race to the bottom for the most hang wringing virtue signalling and migrants are the top trump for them.

Like PP said, I guess it's due to the mass media coverage and the fact the world felt as though it was on a countdown for these poor men to be found.