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Loveless marriage VS commitment to family

210 replies

hoven · 24/06/2023 11:21

AIBU to suggest that committing to stay in a marriage for your children is more important to show your children than showing them an 'example of a happy relationship'?

In marriages without abuse or toxicity of course

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continentallentil · 24/06/2023 19:40

Crabwoman · 24/06/2023 11:42

Commitment and putting work into a relationship (or anything, really) is an important life lesson, and children need to learn not to walk away at the first hurdle.

But when it's no longer 'happy' and is 'loveless', then what exactly are you showing them?

That it's OK to stay in a relationship where values are misaligned and needs are not being met?

Where relationships between adults are cold and there is simmering underlying resentment?

How long can it be kept up before the toxicity, passive aggression, and dysfunction creeps in? And will it be so insidious you won't notice until it's too late.

The concept of Sunk Cost Fallacy is as important as commitment.

Very much this

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:40

jfshu · 24/06/2023 19:37

@hoven so you're planning on bringing another child into an unhappy marriage...? I remember you chastising women about "decision making" when it came to women choosing fathers for their children on another thread, so I do find that quite ironic!

I wouldn't really class is as unhappy tbh, unromantic and passionate yes, and having small children and going through other difficult situations can be tough in relationships.

My dc will thank me when me and Dh are dead and he is happy to have another sibling to share the load

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continentallentil · 24/06/2023 19:42

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:40

I wouldn't really class is as unhappy tbh, unromantic and passionate yes, and having small children and going through other difficult situations can be tough in relationships.

My dc will thank me when me and Dh are dead and he is happy to have another sibling to share the load

Share what load?

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:42

@Modaboutyou if we split up they still won't see that! We are very respectful and get on ok

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AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 24/06/2023 19:44

You categorically should not have another child with someone you already know you eventually want to leave. Wtf is wrong with you.

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:46

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 24/06/2023 19:44

You categorically should not have another child with someone you already know you eventually want to leave. Wtf is wrong with you.

I am an only child and I hate it. I'm sure your not there chastising women who have children with multiple men or risky step parents

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ProfessorXtra · 24/06/2023 19:49

What load are siblings sharing when their parents are dead?

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 24/06/2023 19:51

ProfessorXtra · 24/06/2023 19:49

What load are siblings sharing when their parents are dead?

Beats me. I am a very happy only child. I hope nobody is finding me a burden.

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 24/06/2023 19:52

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:46

I am an only child and I hate it. I'm sure your not there chastising women who have children with multiple men or risky step parents

Multiple men! The horror!

Actually you would be far less selfish to have another child with a man you actually like, even if it doesn't work out.

Eggham · 24/06/2023 19:52

@hoven sorry you’re unhappy, but I would agree with PP that having another child in this situation doesn’t sound like a great idea - trust me, it’s much harder to leave with two or more kids in tow

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:53

ProfessorXtra · 24/06/2023 19:49

What load are siblings sharing when their parents are dead?

Funerals, caring for parents and just having another close family member rather than feeling alone

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ProfessorXtra · 24/06/2023 19:56

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:53

Funerals, caring for parents and just having another close family member rather than feeling alone

What? A funeral is difficult to organise because you are grieving. It’s actually easier when one person does it.

You can’t care for parents who are dead and there’s no guarantee you would need care. Or that either will actually leave near enough to care for you.

Having a sibling doesn’t guarantee or even increase the odds of feeling alone.

We you child born in a loveless marriage?

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:56

@AndIKnewYouMeantIt that will never be part of my value system.

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hoven · 24/06/2023 19:58

Also who knows in a few year time we may be good again. I made the decision initially so I'm going to stick with it

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ProfessorXtra · 24/06/2023 19:58

In fact let’s just agree.

You aren’t staying for your child. You are staying because you want another child. You want one.

Theres no guarantee that your child will like or even enjoy having a sibling. You are staying for you. Not the vows. Not because it’s best.

I would actually bet money that within 5 years of having the second child, you split anyway. Once you have what you want, you won’t feel like it’s worth staying.

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 24/06/2023 19:59

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:56

@AndIKnewYouMeantIt that will never be part of my value system.

Yeah, you don't get to claim moral high ground on this one, sorry. Using your DH as a sperm donor is foul.

hoven · 24/06/2023 20:02

@AndIKnewYouMeantIt he's actually the best father I know. So I feel extremely proud of myself for choosing him

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Otherland · 24/06/2023 20:03

I agree with you, OP.

My life is infinitely harder now my ex has left. His choice. My kids absolutely hate having to leave living with me eow. We are two years on, and my eldest especially really hates the upheaval.

Financially, my life is extremely stressful. It is tough on my children. Our home is tiny, because it's all I can afford. We all hate our circumstances.

I would have stuck it out, but he didn't want to.

ProfessorXtra · 24/06/2023 20:04

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:58

Also who knows in a few year time we may be good again. I made the decision initially so I'm going to stick with it

If you think there’s a chance things can be good again, you aren’t in the same place as the majority of people who divorce.

Most people choose divorce once they know they absolutely can never make things better.

So until you get to that point, maybe hold off the judging people for not staying in their marriage. Because you don’t actually know what it’s like to be at the point you absolutely know there’s no way back from.

If you ever get to that place and you have your 2nd child. I think you will make a different decision.

nothingcomestonothing · 24/06/2023 20:11

ProfessorXtra · 24/06/2023 19:58

In fact let’s just agree.

You aren’t staying for your child. You are staying because you want another child. You want one.

Theres no guarantee that your child will like or even enjoy having a sibling. You are staying for you. Not the vows. Not because it’s best.

I would actually bet money that within 5 years of having the second child, you split anyway. Once you have what you want, you won’t feel like it’s worth staying.

Nailed it.

OP I don't understand why you started this thread. You've already decided what to do, and you seem to have very fixed ideas about what various situations are or will be like, so I'm not sure anything anyone said would have penetrated anyway.

jfshu · 24/06/2023 20:31

You've made a decision but clearly are not very happy with it given this thread, your strong opinions clearly stem from a place of insecurity. It's your life, but you might want to reflect on why you are so judgemental and what the real problem is here, clue, it's not other people divorcing and being happy.

Womencanlift · 24/06/2023 20:36

Another one who is unsure what you want from this thread.

You are very judgemental and quite clearly not opening to learn from people’s lives experiences which is the point of a discussion forum

MidsummerNightsDream · 24/06/2023 20:52

hoven · 24/06/2023 13:08

I think you are more likely to live a mediocre life a divorcee

I think that’s a bit mean and judgemental and also not true when I think about friends who have divorced over the years. Some love the single life and their freedom, others have found new love and are much happier than they were in their marriages. Anecdotal, I know but I definitely don’t get the impression that their lives are in any way ‘mediocre’. Quite the opposite.

To me, being in a marriage of convenience or staying for the children is far more likely to result in a ‘mediocre’ life. But I understand why people do. It’s the much easier, less scary option.

Modaboutyou · 24/06/2023 22:25

hoven · 24/06/2023 19:42

@Modaboutyou if we split up they still won't see that! We are very respectful and get on ok

My original point still stands, how terribly sad for your child to grow up in this situation. It will affect them more than you think (or want to give accept).

Panteranoir · 24/06/2023 23:43

Justfeckoffwiththeovulating · 24/06/2023 14:59

I left my long term relationship and for my children (not just for me) it was definitely the right thing.
They get to see their mother happy. Not walking on eggshells, not ready to argue, not pretending that she's not seething inside, not resentful, but happy.
Has this come with sacrifices, yes. But mostly for me. I have no financial security and am skint most of the time. The house is a mess and I'm permanently chasing my tail to keep up with full time work, life admin and being a present parent. We may have to sell the family home and I am retraining to get a better paid job. But ultimately, it was all worth it.
I don't want to date really and my marriage was sexless for five years so I'm not really missing that. But I dance around my kitchen with glee at being out of my relationship, I'm a great role model and a better parent than I was.
So what if we have to give up takeaways and holidays? They get a mum who feels genuinely optimistic about the future.

Good for you. You absolutely deserve to feel that happiness

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