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To think no teacher is affirming animal/moon/object genders

263 replies

Greenpotatosoup · 23/06/2023 13:13

Surely no teacher in the UK would or could affirm a child who claimed to be a cat or a moon or any other sort of animal or object - eg letting them wear non-uniform, eat from bowl, disrupt learning with neo-pronoun requests. Just nonsense. This must be kids taking the piss and feeding bullshit to gullible journos.

I’ve also seen posters on here claiming their kid/cousin’s kid/neighbour’s goat breeder’s Auntie Sue’s best friend has first hand knowledge of this, and again I call bullshit. Bullshit. Any posters who say it’s not bullshit, get off here and write to Gillian Keegan, who explicitly requested examples of batshittery in schools at a recent select committee hearing, and name the school, and write to your local MP and ofsted too. But I think it’s just bullshit and teacher bashing.

YABU: I believe teachers ARE affirming cat/moon/anything genders

YANBU: I don’t believe any teacher would affirm an animal or object gender.

I understand there are strong views on here about transgender issues. My AIBU is not intended to be about that.

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StephanieSuperpowers · 23/06/2023 20:47

Circe7 · 23/06/2023 20:44

It may well be less harmful for someone to identify as a cat than the opposite sex in that “gender affirming” surgery probably has more complications and long term consequences than sticking a tail on someone would.

"Front tail or back tail?"

Dogmatix34 · 23/06/2023 20:50

It’s in total bollocks- designed to distract from the Tory shit show, Brexit failure and Boris antics.
I’m a secondary school teacher- knives, gangs, poverty, hunger, poor behaviour, absences. These are all genuine issues we are dealing with.
Kids identifying as animals are not the correct focus here.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 23/06/2023 20:51

Yanbu. Whenever the economy is in trouble the media will generate a good old fashioned moral panic to distract people.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 23/06/2023 20:51

DdraigGoch · 23/06/2023 20:47

If I was to say that cats have four legs, would you respond by saying "so you don't believe that three-legged cats exist?"

Of course three-legged cats exist, that doesn't stop cats being quadrupeds.

I have a three legged cat!
That's because she decided to play with moving cars though, not because she's actually a different species.

DdraigGoch · 23/06/2023 20:53

ExtraOnions · 23/06/2023 20:39

…but that recording is nonsense, and has been seized by the right-wing media as part of the “culture war”. At no point does the teacher refer to anyone referring to themselves as a cat , there is no evidence that anyone in that school refers to themselves as a cat, the only people who mention cats are eye girls that made the recording - which is a small excerpt from a longer conversation, that we were not party to .. the sole purpose of which seemed to be to get “likes” on Tik-Tok

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/22/dead-cats-and-transphobic-lies/

So the girls said that if a hypothetical girl was to say that she was a cat, she would be insane. And then the teacher - far from agreeing "yes, that would be daft" calls them "disgraceful" and threatens to report them to the head.

The teacher still doesn't come out well, no matter how you spin it.

DdraigGoch · 23/06/2023 20:56

Begsthequestion · 23/06/2023 20:43

Google is your friend.

Perhaps when you've learned the basic definitions of words we can enter a reasonable discussion.

You were asked for you opinion, not Google's opinion. This is what Google produced for me:

"the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones"

Do you agree with this definition?

nothingcomestonothing · 23/06/2023 20:57

So far on my bingo card I've ticked off right wing, moral panic, this never happens, and denying the existence of trans people. Did I miss any?

Moopsi · 23/06/2023 20:58

nothingcomestonothing · 23/06/2023 20:57

So far on my bingo card I've ticked off right wing, moral panic, this never happens, and denying the existence of trans people. Did I miss any?

The literal genocide of transcats

teacher45646 · 23/06/2023 20:58

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 23/06/2023 20:51

Yanbu. Whenever the economy is in trouble the media will generate a good old fashioned moral panic to distract people.

and Mumsnet it stupid enough to fall for it 😂

DdraigGoch · 23/06/2023 20:59

nothingcomestonothing · 23/06/2023 20:57

So far on my bingo card I've ticked off right wing, moral panic, this never happens, and denying the existence of trans people. Did I miss any?

n+1 has come up

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 23/06/2023 20:59

Moopsi · 23/06/2023 20:58

The literal genocide of transcats

Nazis, they're somehow involved.

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 21:02

nothingcomestonothing · 23/06/2023 20:57

So far on my bingo card I've ticked off right wing, moral panic, this never happens, and denying the existence of trans people. Did I miss any?

Culture war

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 21:03

Haha just saw moral panic post below. Every time

AlisonDonut · 23/06/2023 21:03

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=scottish+boy+expelled+for+saying+there+are+two+genders

Lots of papers to choose from here, back in 2019 a lad in Scotland was expelled [expelled] for filming his teacher reprimanding him.

The teacher had been getting the students to log on to a website and the website asked as part of the registration, which 'gender' and gave two options. The teacher started saying that this was wrong and there were more than two and the student said 'no, there are two'. He was about to be reprimanded so put his phone on record as it was too mental to comprehend.

He was suspended, and the suspension was extended and extended until the furore died down and then they expelled him.

This has been going on for years.

nolongersurprised · 23/06/2023 21:03

nothingcomestonothing · 23/06/2023 20:57

So far on my bingo card I've ticked off right wing, moral panic, this never happens, and denying the existence of trans people. Did I miss any?

Pearl clutching has been used.

“Frothing” hasn’t been mentioned yet.

Blueberrylemoncake · 23/06/2023 21:04

The day a pupil at my school identifies as a cat and they want me to affirm it, is the day I leave teaching. As a science teacher I simply cannot.

ReadtheReviews · 23/06/2023 21:05

I would bring a cat into school saying it identified as a girl if it was me.

Moopsi · 23/06/2023 21:06

Blueberrylemoncake · 23/06/2023 21:04

The day a pupil at my school identifies as a cat and they want me to affirm it, is the day I leave teaching. As a science teacher I simply cannot.

Would you affim a boy as a girl and vice versa?

AlisonDonut · 23/06/2023 21:06

Blueberrylemoncake · 23/06/2023 21:04

The day a pupil at my school identifies as a cat and they want me to affirm it, is the day I leave teaching. As a science teacher I simply cannot.

Do you have any students identifying as anything other than the sex they are?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 23/06/2023 21:07

I remember when people thought letting gay people get married would lead to people marrying their dogs. This argument feels the same.

Moopsi · 23/06/2023 21:09

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 23/06/2023 21:07

I remember when people thought letting gay people get married would lead to people marrying their dogs. This argument feels the same.

Insane people?!

whereaw · 23/06/2023 21:09

@Princessconsuelabananahammock9 I remember when gay people could be same-sex attracted without being called a bigot for not be attracted to the opposite sex who identifies as a different gender.

SeaSaltAir · 23/06/2023 21:09

nothingcomestonothing · 23/06/2023 20:57

So far on my bingo card I've ticked off right wing, moral panic, this never happens, and denying the existence of trans people. Did I miss any?

Won’t somebody please think of the children!

Moopsi · 23/06/2023 21:10

whereaw · 23/06/2023 21:09

@Princessconsuelabananahammock9 I remember when gay people could be same-sex attracted without being called a bigot for not be attracted to the opposite sex who identifies as a different gender.

And when lesbians weren't "non-men attracted to non-men"

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 23/06/2023 21:11

ilovesooty · 23/06/2023 20:15

I could. I didn't want to.

I suspect this thread will be an excuse to rehash all the stuff from the last one, and I would like this stuff to stay in Sex and Gender discussion quite frankly.

Why should the real or fake story of children identifying as cats in schools be in the sex and gender board?

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