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To think no teacher is affirming animal/moon/object genders

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Greenpotatosoup · 23/06/2023 13:13

Surely no teacher in the UK would or could affirm a child who claimed to be a cat or a moon or any other sort of animal or object - eg letting them wear non-uniform, eat from bowl, disrupt learning with neo-pronoun requests. Just nonsense. This must be kids taking the piss and feeding bullshit to gullible journos.

I’ve also seen posters on here claiming their kid/cousin’s kid/neighbour’s goat breeder’s Auntie Sue’s best friend has first hand knowledge of this, and again I call bullshit. Bullshit. Any posters who say it’s not bullshit, get off here and write to Gillian Keegan, who explicitly requested examples of batshittery in schools at a recent select committee hearing, and name the school, and write to your local MP and ofsted too. But I think it’s just bullshit and teacher bashing.

YABU: I believe teachers ARE affirming cat/moon/anything genders

YANBU: I don’t believe any teacher would affirm an animal or object gender.

I understand there are strong views on here about transgender issues. My AIBU is not intended to be about that.

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SeaSaltAir · 24/06/2023 12:33

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 12:22

@seasaltair yes there is lots of evidence that teachers are agreeing to "chosen" pronouns & are referring to girls as boys & vice versa!

There is a huge difference between respecting a chosen pronoun and calling a child a Kettle or a Fox.

Do we have evidence of a real teacher agreeing to call a child an animal or an inanimate object or is it just random women ‘identifying’ as teachers who are claiming this?

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 12:35

@redfacebigdisgrace that's terrible, I completely understand you are over a barrel. But can child safegarding or child protection be contacted? Surely children should not be encouraged to live a lie.
I'd be much happier & comfortable to live & identify as a sloth but obviously I can't & would never expect people to pander to me & my sloth lifestyle😁

There's no difference between idenfiying as a sloth or identifying as the opposite sex.

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 12:39

SeaSaltAir · 24/06/2023 12:33

There is a huge difference between respecting a chosen pronoun and calling a child a Kettle or a Fox.

Do we have evidence of a real teacher agreeing to call a child an animal or an inanimate object or is it just random women ‘identifying’ as teachers who are claiming this?

There is lots evidence as teachers referring to children who are transitioning as the new sex that they imagine they are yes.
Teachers & parents have come on giving examples of kids indentifying as girls when boys & vice versa boys identifying as girls , as foxes, cats, etc.. . I think it's common in Australian schools . I'll have a search & see what I can link.

WandaWonder · 24/06/2023 13:00

I presume these animal identifying children/teenagers still want make-up, mobile phones etc, eat normal food

And if I was a teacher they would be told 'be a cat etc. but you will still get detention if you don't hand your homework in'

Nooneknowswhatgoesonbehindcloseddoors · 24/06/2023 13:07

I love you @Greenpotatosoup 🥰

OMG12 · 24/06/2023 14:17

Lookingfurther · 23/06/2023 18:20

So desperate to be seen as an individual that they’re building ever more boxes for people to sit in.

OMG12 · 24/06/2023 14:21

SeaSaltAir · 24/06/2023 12:33

There is a huge difference between respecting a chosen pronoun and calling a child a Kettle or a Fox.

Do we have evidence of a real teacher agreeing to call a child an animal or an inanimate object or is it just random women ‘identifying’ as teachers who are claiming this?

Why is there? A girl can no more become a boy than she can a cat. Can you explain the difference? Both seem predicated on a dissociation with their physical body, it stands to reason you can fill the void with whatever you like.

OMG12 · 24/06/2023 14:28

StephanieSuperpowers · 24/06/2023 11:06

I've heard similar, anecdotally, that pronouns on CV or linked in shows someone who could be troublesome. It's a shame for kids who've diligently learned from silly adults that it's the correct thing to do.

I wouldn’t interview anyone who had pronouns everywhere, I would see them as disrupters likely to spend more time telling people in the team how wrong they were rather than working. At this point prob GenX is your best best

OMG12 · 24/06/2023 14:30

cadetmumstress · 24/06/2023 07:58

DD (Yr 9) sits next to a furry in some classes (this child identifies as a fox). DD has unfortunately been bitten (lightly) by said fox on more than one occasion and the school shrugged it off because that's how foxes express frustration. I was furious and asked if fox could perhaps be caged to keep the human-identifying pupils safe.

i Suggest your daughter and her class mates dress up as foxhounds and huntsmen shouting Tally ho!

cadetmumstress · 24/06/2023 14:41

@OMG12 Love it!

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 14:46

OMG12 · 24/06/2023 14:30

i Suggest your daughter and her class mates dress up as foxhounds and huntsmen shouting Tally ho!

Crying😂 @OMG12

nothingcomestonothing · 24/06/2023 14:57

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 12:35

@redfacebigdisgrace that's terrible, I completely understand you are over a barrel. But can child safegarding or child protection be contacted? Surely children should not be encouraged to live a lie.
I'd be much happier & comfortable to live & identify as a sloth but obviously I can't & would never expect people to pander to me & my sloth lifestyle😁

There's no difference between idenfiying as a sloth or identifying as the opposite sex.

Social work organisations are captured too. Ideologues have been very effective in embedding gender ideology in all areas of public policy and removing safeguarding from vulnerable children.

redfacebigdisgrace · 24/06/2023 15:01

@Moonandstarzz this is Scottish government guidance (screenshot).

To think no teacher is affirming animal/moon/object genders
To think no teacher is affirming animal/moon/object genders
BishyBarnyBee · 24/06/2023 15:13

DaisyWaldron · 23/06/2023 18:06

It does sound a lot like those people who once taught (or whose kid was in a class with, or whose SiL taught etc) a girl called La-Sha, pronounced Ladasha.

The Ladasha story was told to me at a teacher training session by the trainer who told it as if it was absolutely true and had happened to a friend of hers. I was quite shocked when I realised it was an urban myth predating our training session by some years. She was a lovely person and it slightly rocked my impression of her.

I read a newspaper article about the "identify as a cat" thing and it sounded as if it was offered as a hypothetical situation in a PSHE discussion and has now become fuel in a moral panic.

Personally, I don't subscribe to TWAW and do have concerns about sport, prison and women only spaces, but I believe trans people have the right to live their life in peace, and I see the pendulum swinging so far in the opposite direction that I seriously worry about where this is heading. Some of the people getting on board this agenda have zero interest in womens or LGB rights and would be happy to see them eroded. And anyone who votes Tory because "they know what a woman is", is utterly deluded and should look long and hard at what they have managed to do to the public services in this country and ask if they really want that on their conscience.

nothingcomestonothing · 24/06/2023 16:08

I see the pendulum swinging so far in the opposite direction that I seriously worry about where this is heading.

Where do you think it has 'swung so far'? I think people starting cautiously to say that reality exists is hardly a radical over-correction.

OMG12 · 24/06/2023 16:35

BishyBarnyBee · 24/06/2023 15:13

The Ladasha story was told to me at a teacher training session by the trainer who told it as if it was absolutely true and had happened to a friend of hers. I was quite shocked when I realised it was an urban myth predating our training session by some years. She was a lovely person and it slightly rocked my impression of her.

I read a newspaper article about the "identify as a cat" thing and it sounded as if it was offered as a hypothetical situation in a PSHE discussion and has now become fuel in a moral panic.

Personally, I don't subscribe to TWAW and do have concerns about sport, prison and women only spaces, but I believe trans people have the right to live their life in peace, and I see the pendulum swinging so far in the opposite direction that I seriously worry about where this is heading. Some of the people getting on board this agenda have zero interest in womens or LGB rights and would be happy to see them eroded. And anyone who votes Tory because "they know what a woman is", is utterly deluded and should look long and hard at what they have managed to do to the public services in this country and ask if they really want that on their conscience.

I’m afraid this was always going happen as the TRA became extreme. The more they enforced their views with threats and became moral terrorists the more people were going to react against them. People don’t like being called bigots for stating reality, they don’t like people screeching at them for trying to protect their own rights and dignity. They don’t like being told they have to believe things that are blatantly untrue, they don’t like being cancelled from social media because they quote a dictionary definition.

yes I feel sorry for those just trying to live their lives, they are victims of TRAs too, but they should have been shouting up against them. There would be much more acceptance if the just accepted they aren’t actual women but people who see themselves as women.

Gender dysphoria has been hijacked by attention seekers, misogynists, fetishists and people suffering lots of mental health conditions

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 16:36

Zebedee55 · 24/06/2023 16:02

The school in Rye, Sussex is. I'm amazed - I lived there for 9 years. It was true blue, staid and very far up themselves lol

Still, if parents wish to go along with this stupidity, what can you say?🙄

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12217791/School-centre-row-pupils-identifying-animals-facing-government-probe.html

Those girls did great work. Hopefully more kids will be inspired to expose more or the nonsense they are "learning" (brainwashing) I'd love to know what was being said before the recording started...
There will definitly be a sharp rise in this sort of activism going forward. It will definitely be inside jobs too.
It is a disgrace that it's children who are actually standing up, questioning & revolting against the nonsense.
Grown adults who know it's all complete shite are afraid to say boo!
Well done the very young generation.

Zebedee55 · 24/06/2023 16:39

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 16:36

Those girls did great work. Hopefully more kids will be inspired to expose more or the nonsense they are "learning" (brainwashing) I'd love to know what was being said before the recording started...
There will definitly be a sharp rise in this sort of activism going forward. It will definitely be inside jobs too.
It is a disgrace that it's children who are actually standing up, questioning & revolting against the nonsense.
Grown adults who know it's all complete shite are afraid to say boo!
Well done the very young generation.

I hope so. I don't get the parents going along with this. If my kids had suggested this, I'd have laughed and dished up a bowl of Whiskas for their dinner lol 🙄

Moonandstarzz · 24/06/2023 16:43

@Zebedee55 if my child suggested she was a cat likewise! The same as if she suggested she was a boy...she would be told "nope you are most definitely a girl, end of!"...

BloodandGlitter · 24/06/2023 17:24

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To think no teacher is affirming animal/moon/object genders
cocksstrideintheevening · 24/06/2023 17:25

Dts have a 'furry' in their class, she's a wolf. She howls apparently.