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To feel slightly annoyed at DH not getting a higher paying job?

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carrotstyx · 21/06/2023 17:19

So dh is very well qualified. When we first met, I was always told by him how he was going to get X job and earn X amount by this stage of life etc. I believed him. It came around to applying for these jobs, and the market had all but closed up. So he accepted a different job as a stop gap. It's decently paid, but not very highly paid like he said he was going to get.

That's fine. His employer knows the market has changed so dh is at risk of jumping ship for far higher pay elsewhere. So they have offered to fund a masters course for him, which he has accepted, which means he would have to work for the company for 2 years or face paying back £20k. The masters isn't really worth that, and people in his industry have told me that it's a bit of a waste of time. Essentially, his employer has dangled a rotten carrot to keep him working for them as they wouldn't be able to replace him. There is no scope for asking for a pay increase as it's a huge multinational with strict rules.

I think the real reason dh wants to stay in the job is that it's 10am-6pm, and generally zero pressure. But before this, he was all for going for the very highly paid job and working long hours to set himself up in a lucrative career. This suited us as I work in a long hours high pressure job, so it sort of feels like he no longer aims for the stars because he knows that (hopefully) I am on the track to a high paying job, so he will still benefit from a high salary.

OP posts:
whumpthereitis · 25/06/2023 14:59

So we can’t trust the account of OP, the one who actually knows the man, but we can trust YeahISaidIt’s idea of him, and her knowledge of what he thinks and feels. Naturally, she knows more about this man she doesn’t even know than anyone else, including his own wife.

I say ‘her’, as I’m making the bold assumption that ‘she’ is not in fact your common or garden mra.

MykonosMaiden · 25/06/2023 15:01

karmakameleon · 25/06/2023 13:38

DH and I trained as accountants with the big 4. Every single person I trained with lives in a million plus pound house and sends their children to private school. Personally I’m not at all career driven and I certainly won’t be dying of a heart attack because of work related stress and I’m on a comfortable six figure salary. If OP’s DH trained in a similar profession it’s really not unreasonable to assume that he’d be earning £100k+ one day. I think many people don’t realise that professions exist where £40k is what you earn as a starting salary.

Us too, in IT. 40K was a starting salary for large firm grad schemes but that wasn't even the highest. An investment bank or similar would be 60K+.
Not particularly stressful either if you're suited to the profession.
The OP is being castigated for being a high earning woman. I don't think people get it unless they're higher earners themselves.

The bigger picture as well is that every 'chill job' comes to an end. Management changes. People leave. Budget cuts etc occur. and then you'll be up shit creek.

Her DH won't be this comfortable forever and if he's highly qualified but underemployed people will wonder what went wrong making it hard for him to get another job.

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:06

DrSbaitso · 25/06/2023 14:56

Once again, you're so blinded by the £120k (but you're not money focused, oh no) that you can't see what the issue actually is.

But you are demonstrating perfectly why OP was reluctant to reveal her salary.

I'm not blinded by her earnings, what the fuck, I just said that nobody is making her work that job but her and that it's wrong to be resentful of DH for finding a job he's comfortable with

DrSbaitso · 25/06/2023 15:19

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:06

I'm not blinded by her earnings, what the fuck, I just said that nobody is making her work that job but her and that it's wrong to be resentful of DH for finding a job he's comfortable with

"I understand the point, watch me miss it again!"

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:22

No I get the point. OP believed that DH saying he wanted to be earning a certain amount by a certain time was a concrete promise to do just that and had had dreams off the back of that of a big house and world travel. When it came to applying for those jobs the market was all but dry so he took on another job instead. He likes that job and now OP is annoyed that he's staying in that job earning a paltry 40k as it won't fund the lifestyle that she wants.

DrSbaitso · 25/06/2023 15:31

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:22

No I get the point. OP believed that DH saying he wanted to be earning a certain amount by a certain time was a concrete promise to do just that and had had dreams off the back of that of a big house and world travel. When it came to applying for those jobs the market was all but dry so he took on another job instead. He likes that job and now OP is annoyed that he's staying in that job earning a paltry 40k as it won't fund the lifestyle that she wants.

So you get the issue is that he's defaulting on the life they agreed to build together. And you still think she's the baddie. Why? Because the point of contention is a high salary, rather than having a child/emigrating to Australia/taking a year of sabbatical to go travelling/something you find more personally acceptable.

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:38

No the point is OP being pissed that her husband isn't earning enough for the lifestyle she wants. Who said he wanted it too? If he did he'd go for the higher paying job, it's clear he doesn't

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:39

Taking "I want to earn" as a promise to earn that is just fucking stupid

DrSbaitso · 25/06/2023 15:41

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:38

No the point is OP being pissed that her husband isn't earning enough for the lifestyle she wants. Who said he wanted it too? If he did he'd go for the higher paying job, it's clear he doesn't

No, the point is...oh forget it. The definition of madness and all that.

ProfessorXtra · 25/06/2023 15:43

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:39

Taking "I want to earn" as a promise to earn that is just fucking stupid

Depends on the plan.

If it’s I want to be a post man and earn 160k by the time I am 30. Then I would get your point. Whilst a postman is a valuable job, it’s not or. You can earn 160k at doing. So it would be just pie in the sky thinking.

Plenty if industries have set brackets depending on years working, experience etc. it’s easy to track where you should be, by what age give or take a few years.

I get that it’s alien to you. But plenty of people have a career plan and work in industries that you can create realistic and can predict (with a small margin of error) where you should be at what point. Which it sounds like Op, and her dh can and did do.

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:49

ProfessorXtra · 25/06/2023 15:43

Depends on the plan.

If it’s I want to be a post man and earn 160k by the time I am 30. Then I would get your point. Whilst a postman is a valuable job, it’s not or. You can earn 160k at doing. So it would be just pie in the sky thinking.

Plenty if industries have set brackets depending on years working, experience etc. it’s easy to track where you should be, by what age give or take a few years.

I get that it’s alien to you. But plenty of people have a career plan and work in industries that you can create realistic and can predict (with a small margin of error) where you should be at what point. Which it sounds like Op, and her dh can and did do.

I stand by it, I want to earn x doing y is not a commitment to do that regardless of how realistic it is and OP taking that as a commitment to do that and being disappointed it hasn't happened is absolutely being unreasonable

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:55

I want to earn millions in brand deals as a model, I'll tell my partner this and he'll have every right to be pissed when it doesn't happen because saying you want to do something, that people can and do do is absolutely a promise that it's gonna be a reality

ProfessorXtra · 25/06/2023 15:57

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:49

I stand by it, I want to earn x doing y is not a commitment to do that regardless of how realistic it is and OP taking that as a commitment to do that and being disappointed it hasn't happened is absolutely being unreasonable

and I stand by that fact that you can’t possibly know that. You are assuming that based your own thinking.

You can absolutely make a plan. You can make a solid plan. I am unsure why you refuse to understand that.

Op is confident it was a solid plan created by both of them and a realistic one. Why do you think you know better when you weren’t privy to the conversation?

ProfessorXtra · 25/06/2023 15:59

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:55

I want to earn millions in brand deals as a model, I'll tell my partner this and he'll have every right to be pissed when it doesn't happen because saying you want to do something, that people can and do do is absolutely a promise that it's gonna be a reality

No because that’s not a solid realistic plan. Getting into modelling is extremely hard and only a few select people make it to the level they are making a lot of money.

Thats akin to my ‘I want to be postman on 160k’ example.

Again, in lots of jobs and industries you can know with fairly accurate certainty the track. You can make a plan that’s realistic and achievable. Just because you can’t, doesn’t mean everyone else can not.

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/06/2023 16:04

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 15:22

No I get the point. OP believed that DH saying he wanted to be earning a certain amount by a certain time was a concrete promise to do just that and had had dreams off the back of that of a big house and world travel. When it came to applying for those jobs the market was all but dry so he took on another job instead. He likes that job and now OP is annoyed that he's staying in that job earning a paltry 40k as it won't fund the lifestyle that she wants.

I like how you left out the fact that it was planned to be a stop gap job.

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:05

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/06/2023 16:04

I like how you left out the fact that it was planned to be a stop gap job.

Who decided it was a stop gap, OP or DH

karmakameleon · 25/06/2023 16:05

When I was recently qualified as an accountant I met DH. I wanted to reach six figures over the next few years, which I did. He wanted far more than that and that is what he achieved. It’s perfectly reasonable for the OP to talk to her potential partner and understand his career ambitions and she’d probably have an idea of whether they were realistic. I found DH’s ambition attractive. Looking back all of my boyfriends shared that ambition and most have been very successful. But equally I’m not materialistic. I don’t spend “DH’s money” (he sees it as a shared pot) and our lifestyle certainly doesn’t reflect his salary. I would be perfectly comfortable if we split. I don’t think the OP sounds like she’s very materialistic either, it sounds like she wants a reasonable middle class lifestyle. She’s not exactly bemoaning her lack of diamond shoes. But she does sound disappointed in that he’s not who he told her he was.

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/06/2023 16:09

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:05

Who decided it was a stop gap, OP or DH

OP says he accepted it as a stop gap job. If it wasn't, why was he looking at other jobs? Why not go for that job in the first place?

Again, you only want to go from what OP said when it suits you.

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:11

There were no jobs in his chosen field so he went for another one elsewhere... Maybe he never intended it as a stop gap and OP decided it was "because he said he wanted to do x" regardless of it not working out when it came to looking for those jobs

ProfessorXtra · 25/06/2023 16:14

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:11

There were no jobs in his chosen field so he went for another one elsewhere... Maybe he never intended it as a stop gap and OP decided it was "because he said he wanted to do x" regardless of it not working out when it came to looking for those jobs

In which case any reasonable adult would say ‘I don’t want to do x anymore, I am want to y’.

Had he have done that. The Op wouldn’t be under the impression it was a stop gap.

and why are assuming he didn’t intend it to be a stop gap. Again, it’s really common to have stop gap jobs while you get a job in your chosen industry.

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/06/2023 16:17

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:11

There were no jobs in his chosen field so he went for another one elsewhere... Maybe he never intended it as a stop gap and OP decided it was "because he said he wanted to do x" regardless of it not working out when it came to looking for those jobs

Or maybe he reassured OP that it was indeed a stop gap which is exactly why she used those words.

I can play the maybe game too.

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:20

I think we're never gonna know. OP hasn't come back, she's maybe on job finder picking out suitable jobs for DH instead

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/06/2023 16:28

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:20

I think we're never gonna know. OP hasn't come back, she's maybe on job finder picking out suitable jobs for DH instead

We don't know.

Yet you can't help yourself with that comment about OP.

ProfessorXtra · 25/06/2023 16:39

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:20

I think we're never gonna know. OP hasn't come back, she's maybe on job finder picking out suitable jobs for DH instead

What exactly is your issue with the Op?

YeahIsaidit · 25/06/2023 16:45

Moaning that someone isn't trying hard enough when they're working full time and contributing is distasteful, that's my issue. If she'd come on and said that he wasn't working and spending all his time working for degrees he's not doing anything with and blowing vast amounts of cash on ridiculous things I'd be more sympathetic but that isn't happening. Discontent that someone isn't living up to your standard is gross when they're an adult who has their own mind.