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To tell those who lecture me on vaping to Fuck Off

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Dogsitterwoes · 17/06/2023 13:52

AIBU. No, let them lecture you
YANBU - Yes, be rude to them

I'm in my 50s and was a long term smoker. I switched to vaping in January. I am considerate and only vape outdoors and move away from other people or into a smoking area. People sometimes
comment, there's a brief convo around my giving up smoking, and 9 out of 10 respond nicely in a 'well done you' kind of way.

The 1 out of 10 though start lecturing me on the evils of vaping. These can be complete strangers, or acquaintances. They go on and on.
Usual themes:

  1. Just as bad for you or worse for you than smoking.
  2. Children are vaping.
  3. Environmental impact of disposables.

I respond politely. I acknowledge there is a concern around all of this, and
1 - I know they aren't exactly good for me but I think they are not as bad as cigarettes, and it's my intension to also stop vaping this year
2 - I agree the manufacturer's should stop targeting non-smokers with the sweet flavours
3 - I agree, I use a rechargeable, but there's probably a lot more all of us could be doing for the environment.

But they do not let it drop. I've literally been lectured at on and on.

YANBU to stop being polite after my initial response and tell them that if I stopped vaping today, I'd be back on the fags tomorrow so mind their own fucking business?

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Tryagainplease · 02/03/2025 19:34

Mybusyday · 01/03/2025 20:02

You know what? No matter how much research I post (and I have posted research!) you will just keep saying that smoking and vaping is not harmful to health because YOU are not interested in fact - YOU just think that your opinion is right! I said a couple of years ago on here that research will prove that smoking and vaping is harmful and this is being proven time and time again - you just aren't interested in the truth because you don't want to admit that to yourself. Keep watching this space and you will see - and I shall await your apology

I’m make this very easy for you:

  1. you haven’t posted any research
  2. I (nor anyone else) has said that smoking and vaping aren’t harmful to health
  3. we are saying that, according to current guidelines, vaping is less harmful than smoking
  4. of course it would be the least harmful to do neither
  5. I don’t vape or smoke so have no skin in this game
  6. the day you get a sorry from me will be the day hell freezes over
Barney16 · 02/03/2025 19:43

Take no notice OP. Well done for swapping over from cigarettes. People are very judgemental, particularly about smoking. There's an old phrase, biblical actually, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

TeaAndTattoos · 03/03/2025 01:48

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 03/03/2025 02:17

@TeaAndTattoos

Your repky was completely uncalled for and beyond rude. The poster is genuinely concerned and sharing important health info. The response to name call in the way done is berating and abusive. I truly despair.

TeaAndTattoos · 03/03/2025 04:54

Mumtobabyhavoc · 03/03/2025 02:17

@TeaAndTattoos

Your repky was completely uncalled for and beyond rude. The poster is genuinely concerned and sharing important health info. The response to name call in the way done is berating and abusive. I truly despair.

She resurrected a thread from 18 months ago for absolutely no reason other than because it had been living rent free in her head all this time it’s beyond pathetic to track down a thread from that long ago just to post a link to incomplete research like she thought she had achieved something. She wasn’t bullied by anyone she was going on and on about how it affects people but posted no proof to back up her claims it took her 18 months to find some half finished research and she’s being jumped on again because she’s completely ridiculous and most people don’t spend all that time thinking about one thread unless you have way too much time on your hands. If that comes across as rude oh well I’m not dragging an old thread back up for no reason.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 03/03/2025 05:24

TeaAndTattoos · 03/03/2025 04:54

She resurrected a thread from 18 months ago for absolutely no reason other than because it had been living rent free in her head all this time it’s beyond pathetic to track down a thread from that long ago just to post a link to incomplete research like she thought she had achieved something. She wasn’t bullied by anyone she was going on and on about how it affects people but posted no proof to back up her claims it took her 18 months to find some half finished research and she’s being jumped on again because she’s completely ridiculous and most people don’t spend all that time thinking about one thread unless you have way too much time on your hands. If that comes across as rude oh well I’m not dragging an old thread back up for no reason.

So what? Doesn't deserve name calling.

Greywhippet · 03/03/2025 06:40

TeaAndTattoos · 03/03/2025 04:54

She resurrected a thread from 18 months ago for absolutely no reason other than because it had been living rent free in her head all this time it’s beyond pathetic to track down a thread from that long ago just to post a link to incomplete research like she thought she had achieved something. She wasn’t bullied by anyone she was going on and on about how it affects people but posted no proof to back up her claims it took her 18 months to find some half finished research and she’s being jumped on again because she’s completely ridiculous and most people don’t spend all that time thinking about one thread unless you have way too much time on your hands. If that comes across as rude oh well I’m not dragging an old thread back up for no reason.

Maybe she’s concerned for people’s health or something?
Giving up smoking is really difficult but swapping for vapes is not a good way to go.

Tryagainplease · 03/03/2025 08:00

Greywhippet · 03/03/2025 06:40

Maybe she’s concerned for people’s health or something?
Giving up smoking is really difficult but swapping for vapes is not a good way to go.

Read her posts, she is concerned about nobody but herself. She has been consistently rude and has had several of her posts deleted on this thread for being so. She does not engage in debate in good faith, ignores every logical point that anyone else makes and is just constantly hysterical

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 10:37

@Tryagainplease - not a gotcha moment at all just another valid clinical study that is saying that vaping could actually be more dangerous than smoking - which is what I was saying in the original post. I was asked originally to post any evidence and I thought that this recent particular study was of interest so there you go!

tiger2691 · 03/03/2025 10:41

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 10:37

@Tryagainplease - not a gotcha moment at all just another valid clinical study that is saying that vaping could actually be more dangerous than smoking - which is what I was saying in the original post. I was asked originally to post any evidence and I thought that this recent particular study was of interest so there you go!

It's not valid at all, it just happens to fit your narrative, do some proper research.

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 10:48

@TeaAndTattoos - you calling me a bastard shows more about your life than mine. I am very happy in my life thank you very much - I have my children, my husband, a good job (which is somewhat related to the topic of this thread so I do actually know what I'm taking about!) lots of friends that don't call people bastards and plenty of hobbies and interests. My life is far from boring thank you. I will ask you this though - have you ever watched someone you love die from smoking related lung cancer? I have and it is the most horrendous thing to watch. I have also watched a friend die through the dangers of vaping - again really not nice! I went into my profession to try and help people live a healthier life so that less people have to watch loved ones die - this is why I won't ever let go of this subject matter not because my life is 'boring' or because I am a 'bastard'

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 10:51

@Mumtobabyhavoc - thank you! I am genuinely posting from a good place and trying to help people - I really didn't deserve to be called that but there is no reasoning with some people

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 10:54

@TeaAndTattoos - I certainly was bullied originally and I am being bullied again now by being called a bastard amongst other horrible things. Yes I resurrected the thread so what! - I didn't have to go digging for it as it was sitting on my account already and I thought it would be helpful - plus also I was asked to give examples of research so there you go yet another example that vaping is incredibly dangerous to health!

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 10:56

@Greywhippet - absolutely spot on I am only concerned about people's health and I agree swapping smoking for vaping really is of no help from a health point of view

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 10:59

@tiger2691 - do some proper research??? I have done proper research for years now and see hundreds of people in clinic every week who display effects of smoking and vaping - maybe you should do some proper research rather than trying to 'catch me out'! Some people just want to win a discussion to be smug.....

PencilsInSpace · 03/03/2025 13:03

Mybusyday · 24/02/2025 19:14

Resurrecting this thread! I was bullied on this thread a couple of years ago for having an opinion on vaping. So much evidence has come to light over the last couple of years in the health risks to vaping. Another study is concluding shortly that once again proves how bad vaping is to health (as I said at the time) - I would just like to share this with those who told me I had health anxiety and paranoia for worrying about how much other people's vaping affects my asthma. Vaping is very much indeed DANGEROUS!

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/vaping-horror-first-ever-study-31062646

No, you weren't bullied, you just showed yourself up, that's all. And now you have resurrected the thread and shown yourself up again.

This is from Action on Smoking and Health's briefing, 'Addressing common myths about vaping: Putting the evidence in context':

Why it is important to represent the evidence accurately

Smoking is the leading preventable cause of premature death, responsible for half the difference in life expectancy between the most and least advantaged in society. Smoking is highly addictive and difficult to quit, and nearly a million people in the UK have died from smoking since 2010.

High quality randomised controlled trials have found nicotine containing e-cigarettes to be an effective aid to quit smoking. Their use has been endorsed by NICE guidance, the British Thoracic Society, the Royal College of General Practitioners, the Royal College of Physicians, the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology and the Royal College of Midwives, amongst others.

There is also real-world evidence from population surveys in England that smokers who use an e-cigarette in a quit attempt are more likely to succeed in that attempt. Changes in the prevalence of e-cigarette use through to 2022 have been associated with increases in the success rate of quit attempts. This suggests that e-cigarettes have helped in the region of 30,000 to 50,000 additional smokers to successfully quit each year in England since 2013.

Nevertheless, one in four smokers have never tried vaping, equivalent to 1.8 million smokers, who could potentially benefit from trying vaping to help them quit. Not to mention those who have tried vaping in the past but failed, amounting to another 2.9 million smokers. The provision of accurate information about vaping is vital, as currently 43% of smokers who have not tried vaping, think vaping is as or more harmful than smoking, up from 27% in 2019.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/addressing-common-myths-about-vaping-putting-the-evidence-in-context

As you can see from the latest figures there has been another sharp rise. Half of all smokers now incorrectly believe that vaping is as harmful as, or more harmful than smoking. For smokers who have never tried vaping that figure rises to 60%.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/use-of-e-cigarettes-among-adults-in-great-britain

What you are doing is not harmless. You are contributing to the vast tide of misinformation which discourages smokers from switching to vaping. If they carry on smoking it will prematurely kill approx half of them.

If you are genuinely 'only concerned about people's health' then you will stop.

To tell those who lecture me on vaping to Fuck Off
Tryagainplease · 03/03/2025 16:58

I am honestly agape. It’s like watching a pigeon trying to solve a maths problem.

@PencilsInSpace Ismiled when I saw your post, it is very helpful. Some literally won’t take one bit of notice obviously, but I really really hope that anyone else following this thread will learn something from it.

Imagine how bad peddling the myth that vaping is as bad as smoking to people… if it were me, and I was trying to vape it quit, and I believed that I would just go back to smoking. Because why not if they’re both equally bad 🤦‍♀️

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 17:24

@PencilsInSpace - I haven't shown myself up at all and I most certainly was bullied - and have been again now with a PP calling me a bastard - how nice!! Try looking at evidence from this year, current evidence! I am not contributing to misinformation at all - the NHS is currently changing the guidelines to say that vaping is just as dangerous to health as smoking is

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 17:25

@Tryagainplease - no myth at all! Imagine trying to pedal that vaping is a good thing and not at all harmful to health - shame on you!

Tandora · 03/03/2025 17:48

PencilsInSpace · 03/03/2025 13:03

No, you weren't bullied, you just showed yourself up, that's all. And now you have resurrected the thread and shown yourself up again.

This is from Action on Smoking and Health's briefing, 'Addressing common myths about vaping: Putting the evidence in context':

Why it is important to represent the evidence accurately

Smoking is the leading preventable cause of premature death, responsible for half the difference in life expectancy between the most and least advantaged in society. Smoking is highly addictive and difficult to quit, and nearly a million people in the UK have died from smoking since 2010.

High quality randomised controlled trials have found nicotine containing e-cigarettes to be an effective aid to quit smoking. Their use has been endorsed by NICE guidance, the British Thoracic Society, the Royal College of General Practitioners, the Royal College of Physicians, the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology and the Royal College of Midwives, amongst others.

There is also real-world evidence from population surveys in England that smokers who use an e-cigarette in a quit attempt are more likely to succeed in that attempt. Changes in the prevalence of e-cigarette use through to 2022 have been associated with increases in the success rate of quit attempts. This suggests that e-cigarettes have helped in the region of 30,000 to 50,000 additional smokers to successfully quit each year in England since 2013.

Nevertheless, one in four smokers have never tried vaping, equivalent to 1.8 million smokers, who could potentially benefit from trying vaping to help them quit. Not to mention those who have tried vaping in the past but failed, amounting to another 2.9 million smokers. The provision of accurate information about vaping is vital, as currently 43% of smokers who have not tried vaping, think vaping is as or more harmful than smoking, up from 27% in 2019.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/addressing-common-myths-about-vaping-putting-the-evidence-in-context

As you can see from the latest figures there has been another sharp rise. Half of all smokers now incorrectly believe that vaping is as harmful as, or more harmful than smoking. For smokers who have never tried vaping that figure rises to 60%.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/use-of-e-cigarettes-among-adults-in-great-britain

What you are doing is not harmless. You are contributing to the vast tide of misinformation which discourages smokers from switching to vaping. If they carry on smoking it will prematurely kill approx half of them.

If you are genuinely 'only concerned about people's health' then you will stop.

Here here.

Not to mention the social harms of smoking which are eradicated by vaping instead.

PencilsInSpace · 03/03/2025 17:53

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 17:24

@PencilsInSpace - I haven't shown myself up at all and I most certainly was bullied - and have been again now with a PP calling me a bastard - how nice!! Try looking at evidence from this year, current evidence! I am not contributing to misinformation at all - the NHS is currently changing the guidelines to say that vaping is just as dangerous to health as smoking is

You haven't provided any evidence from this year or any previous year. Your sensationalist news article about a study which has not even been published is not evidence.

the NHS is currently changing the guidelines to say that vaping is just as dangerous to health as smoking is

No it isn't. This is further misinformation.

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 17:56

@PencilsInSpace - not at all misinformation - I think you need to do your homework before having at go at people for not agreeing with your viewpoint

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 17:57

@Tandora - but vaping has its own social harms

U2HasTheEdge · 03/03/2025 18:02

Mybusyday · 03/03/2025 17:56

@PencilsInSpace - not at all misinformation - I think you need to do your homework before having at go at people for not agreeing with your viewpoint

I can guarantee you that Pencils has done her homework.

Clearly she has done more proper research than you.

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