To tell those who lecture me on vaping to Fuck Off

[Dogsitterwoes]

AIBU. No, let them lecture you
YANBU - Yes, be rude to them

I'm in my 50s and was a long term smoker. I switched to vaping in January. I am considerate and only vape outdoors and move away from other people or into a smoking area. People sometimes
comment, there's a brief convo around my giving up smoking, and 9 out of 10 respond nicely in a 'well done you' kind of way.

The 1 out of 10 though start lecturing me on the evils of vaping. These can be complete strangers, or acquaintances. They go on and on.
Usual themes:

1. Just as bad for you or worse for you than smoking.
2. Children are vaping.
3. Environmental impact of disposables.

I respond politely. I acknowledge there is a concern around all of this, and
1 - I know they aren't exactly good for me but I think they are not as bad as cigarettes, and it's my intension to also stop vaping this year
2 - I agree the manufacturer's should stop targeting non-smokers with the sweet flavours
3 - I agree, I use a rechargeable, but there's probably a lot more all of us could be doing for the environment.

But they do not let it drop. I've literally been lectured at on and on.

YANBU to stop being polite after my initial response and tell them that if I stopped vaping today, I'd be back on the fags tomorrow so mind their own fucking business?

I know it’s a bit unreasonable and I should be saying well done etc but I hate vapers. Sorry.

I find that even those who think they’re ‘considerate’ are happy to let massive plumes billow over my buggy and into my face as I walk down the pavement, but they think it’s okay as they’re outside.

You really should learn some breathing techniques. Think of the stress on your heart and effect on your health at being so worked up all the time.
Oh, hang on….

Of course people shouldn't lecture you but, at the same time, they're right on all three points. Their comments have hit a nerve because you know they're right.

By all means tell them to fuck off, if it makes you feel better.

They'll still be right, though.

Exactly! Absolutely disgusting!

Do you not walk down the street with traffic passing by, or stand at traffic lights waiting to cross? All that combustion, all the pollutants from peoples exhausts. There is no combustion with vaping, the liquid is heated, no carbon monoxide, unlike vehicles, which still produce loads, plus all the other shite they emit.

Please don’t try and talk sense. It doesn’t work on here - the anti vapers are rabid and unable to be swayed. They ignore any logic or reason, do not respond to any logical arguments made by people, instead their argument just consists of “yeah! It’s fucking disgusting”

They cannot think like you can. You may as well try and convince your kitchen sink to agree with you.

Knock yourself out. It's your lungs after all.

I actually don’t vape or smoke. I just get irritated by people who make such dramatic proclamations about stuff and say that they ‘hate’ vapers. What a weird reason to hate another human being

OP you sound very sensible. If you're a long term smoker, switching to vaping is less harmful. Obviously giving up smoking or vaping entirely is ideal, but isn't easy to do, and it is part of your future plans in any case. Honestly, I have never smoked or vaped and don't like the effects of either on peoples health, but you will get no hate from me.

I honestly believe vaping is as bad a smoking (if not worse....the jury's still out). I do neither, bur I think the issue is that people who vape convince themselves that vaping is less harmful to themselves and less antisocial to others. This is not true...especially on the second score. I think vaping stinks and polluting others' space with the stench of artificial strawberry, raspberry, watermelon etc is utterly selfish! Have you seen the latest studies re the dangers of vaping? Honestly, I reckon in the next few years, vaping will be see as just as harmful, if not more harmful, than smoking. Also, think of it: smokers put a fag out and then light another up, in general, but vapers suck on their 'adult dummies' almost continuously...while clouds of sickly sweet crap trail behind them ruining others' enjoyment of 'fresh air'. Vapers look even more ridiculous than smokers imho.. They just look short of a nappy...

If u ou think this is bad.......... don't even think of trying a weightless jab and admitting g it. That will make their heads explode with " concern"

Not that it will make any difference to the flat earthers, sorry I mean anti vape zealots, in this thread

www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/ready-to-quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/vaping-myths-and-the-facts/

The latest studies? the one below....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/worlds-first-study-reveals-truth-34719574

https://clivebates.com/papers-and-letters/irresponsible-publicity-related-to-an-unpublished-vaping-study/

https://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2025/02/researchers-of-severely-flawed-study.html

The second two both being good articles. When I read the first one (after mybusyday posted it) I immediately picked similar holes in it. That it hadn’t been published or peer reviewed yet and the articles using sensational language.

I get that the main aim is to reduce vape use in young people who have never smoked. But for those using vaping to stop smoking, an article like that could well lead people to take up smoking again if they believe there is no difference between the two - or worse, that smoking is actually better for them than vaping.

I applaud anyone trying to quit smoking by using whatever tool works for them and I abhor anyone demonising someone who is trying to improve their health.

@tiger2691 - but most people who vape aren't vaping because they want to give up smoking. Both are disgusting!

That may or may not be so, but vaping is far less harmful than smoking, it's called harm reduction.

@tiger2691 - but this is exactly my whole point - vaping is NOT far less harmful than smoking. This was the whole point of me posting the research on here that I did! Vaping is just as harmful to health that smoking is!

Vaping IS far less harmful than smoking.

@tiger2691 no it isn't - more and more clinical evidence is coming to light. You have your head in the sand because you don't want to hear the truth!

You haven’t posted any ‘research’
You have posted a sensationalised article about a tiny study that hasn’t even concluded or been peer reviewed yet. That is not evidence. When the actual NHS changes its stance, I will believe it and not before.

All you’ve done is posted your opinion as fact over and over and over again whilst constantly using the word ‘disgusting’. You cannot form a balanced point of view and you are devoid of critical thinking.

Although I don’t know why I bothered wasting my time typing that out. You have proven over and over again on this thread that trying to engage in a productive debate with you would be like trying to debate a pigeon

You know what? No matter how much research I post (and I have posted research!) you will just keep saying that smoking and vaping is not harmful to health because YOU are not interested in fact - YOU just think that your opinion is right! I said a couple of years ago on here that research will prove that smoking and vaping is harmful and this is being proven time and time again - you just aren't interested in the truth because you don't want to admit that to yourself. Keep watching this space and you will see - and I shall await your apology

God almighty, I'm the OP from 18 months ago.

I wasn't asking whether vaping is bad. I was asking about telling people who want to lecture me about to mind their own business.

This thread is kinda a lesson in everyone having an unasked-for opinion.

Hi 👋
How are you getting on with it?
Thread was resurrected as mybusyday thought she finally had a gotcha after 18 months of promising us research PROVING that vaping is as bad as smoking and its killing her as well as everyone else, showed up with a link to a shitty article about a study that hasn’t even concluded yet, let alone been peer reviewed and published, with a sample size of a whole 20 people.

If you’re still vaping, carry on - nobody in the real world should care one jot