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To say no to social services re: my niece and nephews...

528 replies

mrsneate · 13/06/2023 21:48

To cut a long story short, this is the fourth time in 9 years social services are involved with my brother and his children.

The first time. I drove 200 miles with no notice to collect Brother and his three kids. They lived with me for 8 months. It was hell. Small 3 bed house, 3 children of my own and my ex husband (we were still married) I supported them all financially, got them into schools, he was then given a council property, the children were taken off the register (on it because of their mum)

Fast forward 3 years, a neighbour reported him for various things. They were put back on the register, my brother worked with them, I supported him.

18 months ago, 2am police knock on my door with my eldest nephew. (16 at this point!) him and dad had gotten into a physical fight, could I take him, of course I said yes, the next day social worker came round, when police had entered their property. It was t fit to live in. Stinking dirty, rubbish everywhere.

Me and my SIL (other brothers wife) went round, and blitzed his house, I did 20 loads of washing, 16 dishwasher cycles. The house was spotless.

They asked me to take all 3. I couldn't, I work full time night shifts and was a single parent, my nephew was with me for 10 weeks with no support from
Social services or my brother financial or otherwise, then my nephew was 17 and could decide he wanted to go home. He went home. Case was closed

This week, I randomly had a phone call from a social worker. There had been an anonymous report from someone that he was leaving the youngest alone for long periods (she's 11) and there was no food in the house. He's drinking all the time, the house is a state.

I only ever see my brother these days when he pops to my house with my niece. She always looks clean.

They told me it's looking like it's going down the route of removing the children (11 and 16?) and would I be in a position to take them in, until he decides to cooperate and work with them, told them no, although I'm no longer single, my fiancé works away for months at a time and I still work night shifts, and still only live in a 3 bed house with 2 of my boys (oldest has moved out) she got really arrogant with me after that. I pointed out they need to stop closing the case, keep them on the register.

But guilt is eating me up, there has been a suggestion they go back to their mother. But that will be a disaster. I have text my brother and offered to help him clean the house. Again, but I am
Pissed off with him, and it's annoying me that he keeps having passes because he's a male single parent! He works school hours and earns good money, he's not skint.

What would you do?

OP posts:
DustyLee123 · 13/06/2023 21:50

I’d take the kids. What a shit, unstable life they have had.

hattyhathat · 13/06/2023 21:52

It's fine to say you can't. Better that they live with someone who can

PuttingDownRoots · 13/06/2023 21:52

If you don't have space, you can't magic up space.

Can you have your niece for dinner once or twice a week?

Foodfan · 13/06/2023 21:54

I’d take the kids!

lostat · 13/06/2023 21:54

It's like SS aren't taking it that seriously as long as you step up and do your brothers parenting for him. You have absolutely no obligation to do it again. That said I would struggle to see them going to strangers and potentially being unhappy. It's not an easy situation for you and your own kids at all.

bridgetreilly · 13/06/2023 21:54

Those poor children are neglected: but that is NOT YOUR FAULT. You do not need to feel guilty for what their parents have done and you do not have to keep picking up the pieces. yANBU.

continentallentil · 13/06/2023 21:56

I ‘d try and arrange a meeting with SS and your Bro to work with him to support him to keep them. It’s much the best solution.

I’d take the 11 year old and ask SS to find the 16 year old supported accommodation near your home where you can keep an eye and have him round a couple times a week. And talk to your other bro about doing this / or actively sporting you.

What a nightmare. I am sorry OP, but unless you physically can’t.. I can’t see how you can’t.

Lefteyetwitch · 13/06/2023 21:57

No. You can't. You have just explained why you can't and it's valid reasons. They are beyond your help.
You've helped before and what's it done?

He won't get better. How many years has he had?
At this point the should remove them. To a place where there will be money and support.
And as they've proven this will never be given to you, you have to prioritise your kids.

Againstmachine · 13/06/2023 21:57

Foodfan · 13/06/2023 21:54

I’d take the kids!

Because its that easy isn't it.

determinedtomakethiswork · 13/06/2023 21:58

It's all very well saying she should take the children, but she doesn't have the space or the time. And often a paid foster carer is far better because they are trained to deal with children who have gone through trauma. It's not fair to say to poster that she should take them. It's not as easy as that.

drpet49 · 13/06/2023 21:58

I couldn’t let the kids go into the care system.

hattyhathat · 13/06/2023 21:58

Foodfan · 13/06/2023 21:54

I’d take the kids!

And feed and house them how?

gamerchick · 13/06/2023 21:58

SS are trying it on. They do that from bitter experience.

Who will blink first? Dont do it. Squash the guilt OP.

hattyhathat · 13/06/2023 21:58

hattyhathat · 13/06/2023 21:58

And feed and house them how?

Ps are you volunteering?

Lefteyetwitch · 13/06/2023 21:59

Foodfan · 13/06/2023 21:54

I’d take the kids!

Do you need her PayPal or bank details to send her the money then?

Puzzledanddissatisfied · 13/06/2023 21:59

What do you mean by the social worker became arrogant?

PercyPigInAWig · 13/06/2023 21:59

I can't tell you what to do, except to say make damn sure you stay in their lives even if you can't have them to live with you. SS should be working with your brother, if he has money that makes things more solvable but sounds like he is an alcoholic which is at the heart of the issues.

wildfirewonder · 13/06/2023 22:00

I think I would take the kids if I could. What an awful situation, I am sorry you have this but your brother will not change.

StopFeckingFaffing · 13/06/2023 22:01

I've never been in your situation so can only answer hypothetically but I think I would take them in but agree that it is short term only

Can your other brother and SIL help at all? Perhaps you take your neice in and your nephew goes to them?

Is your brother just feckless or are there reasons for his behaviour? I would be really angry with your brother and give him an ultimatum that he needs to sort his shit out. Why can't he employ a cleaner if he earns good money?

TomatoSandwiches · 13/06/2023 22:01

YANBU if you can't take them you can't but I would be quite worried with the high probability that they won't be placed together at all.
Could you take one ( the 11yr old ) and your other sibling the 16yr old?
Or ofer to have them as respite from foster care once a week so you can keep an eye on them?

Sirzy · 13/06/2023 22:05

It’s easy to say “I’d take them” when you aren’t in the position of needing to really consider the practicalities.

even ignoring the massive levels of emotional support that these children will need it sounds like the OP simply doesn’t have space in the house to move two more children in.

she can be supportive without making unrealistic promises

CymruChris · 13/06/2023 22:05

Having worked in the care system, I'd hate to see any of my family members enter into it. That being said, if you can't, you can't. Might we worth discussing with the local authority what support package they are able/willing to provide. They wouldn't just leave you to it. What is the alternative if you don't take them? It sounds like the cleanliness of the house is not the only issue, it sounds like he has an inability to make and sustain changes unfortunately.

CoffeeCakeAndALattePlease · 13/06/2023 22:08

If you can’t then you can’t.

they will pressurise you because they always go to family first and there is a huge shortage of foster care placements.

by repeatedly bailing your brother out he is not having to step up.

Birdsmakingnests · 13/06/2023 22:12

Ask what support package will be put in place and will you get kinship allowance for kids which may allow you to work less.

MillbankTower · 13/06/2023 22:15

Don't agree to a family arrangement (kinship)

If you do it then insist on formal fostering so that they remain as looked after children and you receive funding for it