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To ask if you support Trump or Boris Johnson, to explain why?

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ChittyBangabang · 11/06/2023 14:14

I don't get it. Both are charlatans but seem to have a core fan base.

If you're one, can you say why and do you believe they tell the truth?

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User135644 · 15/07/2023 07:46

lazyfucker · 11/06/2023 17:57

starmer will be just as incompetent but with added prissiness and sanctimony. And spite.

I can sort of see why certain people would describe Starmer as prissy and sanctimonious, though I don't agree myself. But what on earth makes you assert he will be spiteful??

I think both Johnson and Trump have been very successful at appealing to those people for whom life has been pretty shit and somehow convincing them that they understand their woes and care about making their lives better. Despite being part of the very system that they claim to be bucking - well, certainly in Johnson's case.

Much as I hate him, I saw a video once of Johnson analysing one of Churchill's speeches and pointing out the Latinate and Germanic words and explaining the differences and impacts of the two styles. It was very interesting and he was articulate and engaging. It was only ruined by the female presenter he was talking to who was going all breathless and giggly every time he said a long word. He does seem to have some sort of magnetism over people. Fuck knows why - I can't see it myself. Watching that I thought how much better the UK would be now had he gone into academia, written some books, done the celebrity boffin thing and, let's face it, shagged lots of students along the way. We'd all be so much better off - well, not the young women he'd have shagged but he's done that anyway.

Jimmy Savile had a similar 'magnetism' over a lot of people and had a similar schtick. People in this country can be fucking weird.

StefanosHill · 15/07/2023 07:50

LoonyLois · 15/07/2023 07:45

Trump is passionate about his country, you can’t deny that. Between him and Hilary Clinton I’d have voted Trump and I didn’t think I would ever say that.

Johnson I would never have voted for but I do feel sorry for him the way he’s been treated. The way he rolled out the vaccine programme was amazing. Plus with some of his Covid decisions he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. No one knew what was going to happen with Covid, and he was already sorting out Cameron and May’s Brexit cock ups

Lots of people did vote for Johnson, a fair bit more than the other leaders so he did get that support. Although who he was up against was likely also a factor.

Do you think Trump will win next time?

Lottapianos · 15/07/2023 07:53

'People in this country can be fucking weird.'

You can say that again! See also: anyone who ever voted for Michael Fabricant, Jacob Rees Mogg, and many others

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 08:01

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I am not sure when stating a fact became nitpicking.

That Russian forces intervened in CAR in 2018 I would have thought was well known to anyone with an interest in current affairs. Similarly that the Russian army was fighting in Ukraine throughout Trumps time as president is also well known and not in dispute.

Both I am sure clear demonstrations of steps towards peace with hostile nations that Trump undertook.

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 08:02

Lottapianos · 15/07/2023 07:53

'People in this country can be fucking weird.'

You can say that again! See also: anyone who ever voted for Michael Fabricant, Jacob Rees Mogg, and many others

Its cruel of you to leave Nadine Dorries of that list of esteemed parliamentarians.

Glowie · 15/07/2023 08:10

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 06:58

On the subject of lower taxes in the US.

One of the results of Donald Trumps policies is that the richest 400 people in the US pay a lower rate of tax than the poorest 50%.

Was it the tax cuts to those 400 people you were refering to?

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No, it was actually the one that lowered the standard income tax brackets (the stuff that affects the voter base).

I've read the report to which you refer, and it's an irrelevant point achieved by torturing numbers in a certain way (though do please feel free to point me to the exact page that irks you so much). Tax rates on investments etc are different (usually lower) than standard income tax, as they are in many countries. I don't know what to tell you.

I need something other than bad faith posturing if this is going to continue.

Lottapianos · 15/07/2023 08:30

'Its cruel of you to leave Nadine Dorries of that list of esteemed parliamentarians.'

You are correct. She popped into my head when I was writing it, but then she popped out again just as quick 😁

Glowie · 15/07/2023 08:31

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 08:01

I am not sure when stating a fact became nitpicking.

That Russian forces intervened in CAR in 2018 I would have thought was well known to anyone with an interest in current affairs. Similarly that the Russian army was fighting in Ukraine throughout Trumps time as president is also well known and not in dispute.

Both I am sure clear demonstrations of steps towards peace with hostile nations that Trump undertook.

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Actually, nitpicking requires a fact. The key is that said fact is either irrelevant, beside, or insignificant to the matter.

Anyway, what you're saying is that despite my clearly referring to Ukraine, I was still correct - they didn't invade anybody.

I'm afraid I'm done playing chess with this particular pigeon.

Final question: Does it not bother you that you are so incredibly certain of 'orange man bad', and yet you're having such a torrid time trying to back it up?
Maybe aim more at 'correct' rather than 'sure', as these are often two very different things.

StefanosHill · 15/07/2023 08:32

Glowie · 15/07/2023 08:31

Actually, nitpicking requires a fact. The key is that said fact is either irrelevant, beside, or insignificant to the matter.

Anyway, what you're saying is that despite my clearly referring to Ukraine, I was still correct - they didn't invade anybody.

I'm afraid I'm done playing chess with this particular pigeon.

Final question: Does it not bother you that you are so incredibly certain of 'orange man bad', and yet you're having such a torrid time trying to back it up?
Maybe aim more at 'correct' rather than 'sure', as these are often two very different things.

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Glowie are you in the US, do you think Trump will win next time?

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 08:36

Glowie · 15/07/2023 08:31

Actually, nitpicking requires a fact. The key is that said fact is either irrelevant, beside, or insignificant to the matter.

Anyway, what you're saying is that despite my clearly referring to Ukraine, I was still correct - they didn't invade anybody.

I'm afraid I'm done playing chess with this particular pigeon.

Final question: Does it not bother you that you are so incredibly certain of 'orange man bad', and yet you're having such a torrid time trying to back it up?
Maybe aim more at 'correct' rather than 'sure', as these are often two very different things.

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Steps toward peace with hostile nations - achieved

And

Zero Russian invasions while he was president.

Both statements are quite clearly refering to Ukraine. Which is an odd thing to triumph on Trumps behalf because Russia was still fighting and committing war crimes in Ukraine at the end of his presidency.

Glowie · 15/07/2023 08:39

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 08:36

Steps toward peace with hostile nations - achieved

And

Zero Russian invasions while he was president.

Both statements are quite clearly refering to Ukraine. Which is an odd thing to triumph on Trumps behalf because Russia was still fighting and committing war crimes in Ukraine at the end of his presidency.

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You're embarrassing yourself now

Glowie · 15/07/2023 08:45

StefanosHill · 15/07/2023 08:32

Glowie are you in the US, do you think Trump will win next time?

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No, I'm in the UK.

He definitely should win, but honestly I wouldn't like to predict it. The odds are higher now than in 2020, but anything could happen.

I suppose the key is who he ends up running against, which could go a few ways by the looks of things.

Alexandra2001 · 15/07/2023 09:04

LoonyLois · 15/07/2023 07:45

Trump is passionate about his country, you can’t deny that. Between him and Hilary Clinton I’d have voted Trump and I didn’t think I would ever say that.

Johnson I would never have voted for but I do feel sorry for him the way he’s been treated. The way he rolled out the vaccine programme was amazing. Plus with some of his Covid decisions he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. No one knew what was going to happen with Covid, and he was already sorting out Cameron and May’s Brexit cock ups

Passionate about the USA? like when he took the piss out of a grieving family who lost their son in Afghanistan? or who risked state security by removing classified papers from the White House? or who tried to over throw a valid election result?
In most countries, Trump would be charged with Treason.

Trump is only passionate about two things, money & power, he has zero morals in how he gets either... an Evil man.

Bojo totally fucked up the vaccine roll out & supply, you may note that no one anywhere used AZ once Pfizer became available... Bojo, by committing the UK to a unreliable vaccine, made sure we were last in the queue for the newer vaccines... & we paid for through the nose for the ones we got.

As for delivery of the vaccines, that was down to the amazing NHS and volunteers, an NHS his party has been defunding for the last 13 years.

So, once AZ was proven to be too dangerous for younger people and not effective against the newer strains, the EU then very quickly caught up and surpassed the UK.

longwayoff · 15/07/2023 09:23

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OCaptain · 15/07/2023 11:17

@Glowie

I thought it was obvious that I was referring to the people who actually entered the building...

Well, not really. That's a bizarre statement to make, anyway. Imagine if the armed rioters I referred to said to police, "I thought it was obvious I wasn't actually entering the building ..."

Radiodread · 15/07/2023 11:21

The one person I knew who liked both Boris and Trump had a diagnosed cluster B Personality disorder. He also expressed a grudging admiration for many dictators. He was a peach, as you can imagine.

Florenz · 15/07/2023 11:24

I don't think Trump would have won against anyone but Hillary. But I think she'd have won against pretty much any regular Republican candidate.

I would not rate Biden's chances highly if the election next year is him vs Trump again.

To be honest both parties need new blood, there shouldn't be a Presidential Election where the average candidate age is north of 80. But that's looking like what it will be.

Glowie · 15/07/2023 11:37

OCaptain · 15/07/2023 11:17

@Glowie

I thought it was obvious that I was referring to the people who actually entered the building...

Well, not really. That's a bizarre statement to make, anyway. Imagine if the armed rioters I referred to said to police, "I thought it was obvious I wasn't actually entering the building ..."

You know what, you're absolutely right.

It makes complete sense to leave all your armed forces outside while trying to overthrow the government...

Piggywaspushed · 15/07/2023 11:48

Define 'armed'.

OCaptain · 15/07/2023 11:57

@Glowie

You know what, you're absolutely right.

It makes complete sense to leave all your armed forces outside while trying to overthrow the government...

Perhaps that depends on what their plans actually were. Recall the gallows out the front?

IClaudine · 15/07/2023 14:23

Rhondaa · 14/07/2023 18:39

Johnson's ex wife was diagnosed with cancer a year after they separated. Please get your facts right or else you show yourself up saying 'fucking' and 'pussy'. Are you 15?

Anyway back to the op. Couldn't care less about The Donald, Johnson however was a brilliant PM who got us through covid when Labour would still have us meeting in groups of 6, he was shafted by a hysterical leftie media featuring Cake Boy Paul Brand, an 'impartial' report from Sue (chief of staff for Labour) and a 'impartial' committee headed by Harriet 'I hate Johnson' Harman. Impartial.

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You are going to need a new bottle of Eau de Desperation soon. I think there are jumbo ones for sale in Home Bargains right now.

Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 15:31

IClaudine · 15/07/2023 14:23

You are going to need a new bottle of Eau de Desperation soon. I think there are jumbo ones for sale in Home Bargains right now.

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I'd follow your own advice and ignore me tbh, 'Eau de Desperation', I mean really is this an attempt at wit? Pm me I'll give you some tips, save you the embarrassment Grin.