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To ask if you support Trump or Boris Johnson, to explain why?

297 replies

ChittyBangabang · 11/06/2023 14:14

I don't get it. Both are charlatans but seem to have a core fan base.

If you're one, can you say why and do you believe they tell the truth?

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Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 18:12

IClaudine · 15/07/2023 18:09

10% of not very much is not very much. Benefits were too low in the first place and were frozen for five years up until 2020. So in real terms benefits have fallen during the past 13 years, despite the 10% increase.

PIP and its precursor DLA were never means tested. They are meant to meet the extra costs disabled people face. The extra payments were welcome, but hardly put a dent in many disabled people's fuel and food bills.

10% is a good old raise. We're talking about a cost of living crisis and how the government stepped up. Do keep up.

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 18:13

Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 17:56

Well thanks to The Evil Tories we had a 10% raise in all benefits and also we had those nasty cost of living payments. Even 2 lots of £150 for PIP claimants and PIP isn't even means tested. I mean, God there was Truss implementing the energy price cap so folk could heat their homes last winter. Bastards.

Do you really want to run through why in January 2022 the Tories voted against taking steps in good time to lower everyone's energy bills?

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 18:14

Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 17:56

Well thanks to The Evil Tories we had a 10% raise in all benefits and also we had those nasty cost of living payments. Even 2 lots of £150 for PIP claimants and PIP isn't even means tested. I mean, God there was Truss implementing the energy price cap so folk could heat their homes last winter. Bastards.

Is that why you are content that Johnson broke the law and lied about it to parliament, along with your acceptance that appointing that appointing a known sex pest to a position of responsibility was no big deal?

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 18:16

Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 18:12

10% is a good old raise. We're talking about a cost of living crisis and how the government stepped up. Do keep up.

Are we allowed to discuss the steps that the government has taken to ensure that the cost of living crisis is worse in the UK than other countries?

IClaudine · 15/07/2023 18:17

Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 18:12

10% is a good old raise. We're talking about a cost of living crisis and how the government stepped up. Do keep up.

It is not a good raise if what you are raising is pitiful. Do keep up.

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 18:18

Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 17:52

It says his wife was at work? not getting chemo. And no, that is not ok but as we know many people have affairs <and worse> but this 'he was fucking others whilst his wife had chemo' that a pp spouted is just not true. They were separated.

If they were separated, then weren't they still legally married?

Or is that another example of a law that doesn't apply to Johnson?

Justanotherlurker · 15/07/2023 19:33

If you think that it is just Trump or Boris who have a core fan base then I suspect you are seeing it through a partisan angle, in the US there is a lot of vote blue no matter who and now excusing the same policies happening under Bidens reign, also it doesn't take too much to bring out the 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' crowd spitting out conspiracy theories as to why he didn't win other than he was the worst candidate on 2 separate occasions and was a liability and couldn't even commit to his so called principles of being life long anti-eu.

Both sides have elements of hard core fundamentalists, a lot of vocal online labour supporters are going to do a lot of 180's in the coming years once Labour come to power and this time blaming it on 'not true labour' is just going to become the same meme as 'not true socialism'

Clavinova · 15/07/2023 19:51

grannysmithspips
Isn't there a photo of Jennifer Arcuri in Johnson's kitchen taken while his wife was off having cancer treatment?
Sorry for the DM link

Just popping in as I'm going out in half an hour.

In your link, Jennifer Arcuri claimed she had an affair with Boris Johnson from 2012 to 2016. Marina Wheeler was diagnosed with cancer in May 2019 - which was some months after she had obtained a decree nisi in divorce proceedings.

(MW obtained a decree nisi prior to mid-Feb 2019. She was granted leave to apply "out of time" for the decree absolute in mid-Feb 2020 - which means that more than 12 months had elapsed since her decree nisi).

The tabloids seem to think Angela Rayner and Sam Tarry cheated on Sam Tarry's wife. Jill Biden's ex-husband believes Jill/Joe Biden cheated on him.

IClaudine · 15/07/2023 19:57

Just popping in as I'm going out in half an hour

Classic Clav!😁

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 19:59

IClaudine · 15/07/2023 19:57

Just popping in as I'm going out in half an hour

Classic Clav!😁

It must take a lot of time and energy going out and gathering all those links to share with us.

DuncinToffee · 15/07/2023 20:04

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 19:59

It must take a lot of time and energy going out and gathering all those links to share with us.

They are recycled links, easier to find.

NotTooOldPaul · 15/07/2023 20:05

Begsthequestion · 14/07/2023 19:51

If by "right" you mean "serves his own interests" then yes.

His support for Brexit wasn't genuine - the only thing he supports is himself.

@Begsthequestion I agree with you. He only cares about himself.

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 20:09

DuncinToffee · 15/07/2023 20:04

They are recycled links, easier to find.

Very good of someone to give them to her to use in that case.

Clavinova · 15/07/2023 20:10

jgw1
It must take a lot of time and energy going out and gathering all those links to share with us

No time at all on this occasion. I have posted the same information before - easy enough dates to remember. You were on the thread with me last night - perhaps you need to speed up a bit. And no, I don't do spreadsheets.

Rhondaa · 15/07/2023 20:14

Clavinova · 15/07/2023 20:10

jgw1
It must take a lot of time and energy going out and gathering all those links to share with us

No time at all on this occasion. I have posted the same information before - easy enough dates to remember. You were on the thread with me last night - perhaps you need to speed up a bit. And no, I don't do spreadsheets.

Your pesky links and c&p do rattle their cages when you prove them wrong time and time again Grin

jgw1 · 15/07/2023 20:18

Clavinova · 15/07/2023 20:10

jgw1
It must take a lot of time and energy going out and gathering all those links to share with us

No time at all on this occasion. I have posted the same information before - easy enough dates to remember. You were on the thread with me last night - perhaps you need to speed up a bit. And no, I don't do spreadsheets.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5803/cmselect/cmprivi/1652/report.html

SingingNettles · 15/07/2023 21:36

As previously mentioned, one of the things that I find particularly infuriating about Trump is that even his staunched media allies, who push his lies, actually hate him and recognize him for the danger that he is, but know that they have to back him to keep their audience. Here are some of Tucker Carlson’s texts:

On Trump:
“What he’s good at is destroying things,” Carlson texted producer Alex Pfeiffer on November 5. “He’s the undisputed world champion of that. He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong.”

“I hate him passionately,” Carlson texted Pfeiffer on January 4, days prior to the riot at the U.S. Capitol. He added, of Trump’s presidency, “We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There really isn’t an upside to Trump.”

On election denialism:
On November 5, in response to his producer Alex Pfeiffer, who had written that “I really think many on ‘our side’ are being reckless demagogues right now,” Carlson wrote, “Of course they are. We’re not going to follow them. The sun will rise tomorrow and we want to wake up intact. I always think that.”

On Trump skipping Biden’s inauguration:
“Hard to believe. So destructive,” he texted Pfeiffer on November 10. “It’s disgusting. I’m trying to look away.”

On the prospect of ditching Trump coverage on Fox:
Two days before the Capitol riot, Carlson wrote to a colleague that “we are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can’t wait.” The day after Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, he texted his producer that “Trump has two weeks left. Once he’s out, he becomes incalculably less powerful, even in the minds of his supporters. He’s a demonic force, a destroyer. But he’s not going to destroy us. I’ve been thinking about this every day for four years.”

Justanotherlurker · 15/07/2023 23:17

I didn't realise MN has been infiltrated by r/politics bots as much as I had until I read the previous posts, if you had the finger on the pulse of the real left wing politics in the US you would understand that Trump is a distant memory.

In fact, I have seen a reworded copy and paste bullet points from one of the above posts called out and downvoted in the most shitlib subs that is /r/sanfran

This isn't intelligent 'critical thinking; going on, this is adding to the added 'peak MN' when combined with political talk.

SingingNettles · 15/07/2023 23:40

Justanotherlurker · 15/07/2023 23:17

I didn't realise MN has been infiltrated by r/politics bots as much as I had until I read the previous posts, if you had the finger on the pulse of the real left wing politics in the US you would understand that Trump is a distant memory.

In fact, I have seen a reworded copy and paste bullet points from one of the above posts called out and downvoted in the most shitlib subs that is /r/sanfran

This isn't intelligent 'critical thinking; going on, this is adding to the added 'peak MN' when combined with political talk.

I don’t think anyone who posts such drivel should be sneering about anyone else’s ability, or lack thereof, to think critically.

”infiltration by r/politics bots” - really? I think that’s your paranoia and conspiratorial thinking getting the best of you.

The texts I quoted were taken from this article (being one of the first to come up in google when you search for Tucker Carlson’s texts): https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/all-the-texts-fox-news-didnt-want-you-to-read.html

I have never visited r/politics or the other subreddit you reference, my use of Reddit is largely confined to the Duolingo sub.

And this: “if you had the finger on the pulse of the real left wing politics in the US you would understand that Trump is a distant memory” is a particularly bad take. Anyone with a passing interest in US politics knows that Trump continues to cast an extremely
long shadow and, of course, is also 50% of the topic of this thread.

All the Texts Fox News Didn’t Want You to Read

Court filings in the now-settled case brought by Dominion reveal messages from Rupert Murdoch, Tucker Carlson (now of Twitter), and others.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/all-the-texts-fox-news-didnt-want-you-to-read.html

Justanotherlurker · 16/07/2023 00:06

I don’t think anyone who posts such drivel should be sneering about anyone else’s ability, or lack thereof, to think critically.

Unironically posts nymag article...

SingingNettles · 16/07/2023 00:13

Justanotherlurker · 16/07/2023 00:06

I don’t think anyone who posts such drivel should be sneering about anyone else’s ability, or lack thereof, to think critically.

Unironically posts nymag article...

I looked for a summary of Carlson’s texts and quoted from one of the first results. The same text messages seem to appear verbatim in many other articles. What, exactly, is your problem with me copying them from that particular source, oh great critical thinker?

Nagado · 16/07/2023 00:33

User135644 · 15/07/2023 07:31

But they literally have no values.

Their just wind up merchants and appeal to people because of it. Boris Johnson is just an act, the reality is he's a really horrible person.

Yes I know. But that’s the whole point, isn’t it? People suspect most, if not all, politicians of having no values and actually being dreadful people. Boris is just a bit more blatant about it. Some other politicians come across as being very smug because they think they’ve fooled the British public into thinking that they give a shit about poverty or the NHS. Boris simply doesn’t care whether you believe him or not, so long as he gets his own way.