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To ask if you support Trump or Boris Johnson, to explain why?

297 replies

ChittyBangabang · 11/06/2023 14:14

I don't get it. Both are charlatans but seem to have a core fan base.

If you're one, can you say why and do you believe they tell the truth?

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Clavinova · 14/07/2023 20:59

DuncinToffee
Have you formed an opinion on lying to Parliament yet?

I did, but unfortunately you forgot to open a linked thread - the last one was full up before I could post.

DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:01

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 20:59

DuncinToffee
Have you formed an opinion on lying to Parliament yet?

I did, but unfortunately you forgot to open a linked thread - the last one was full up before I could post.

Feel free to share it here

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:01

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 20:51

Begsthequestion
like it's a fact you believe. That's quite worrying

Why is it 'quite worrying'? Quite worrying would be a 'fact' that was way off the mark - sounds pretty close from the link above;
All-in-all, Trump garnered 26% of the non-white vote in 2020. This is a respectable showing, by recent Republican standards; indeed, it’s the second-best showing recorded by exit polls since 1976, behind George W. Bush's 28% in 2004.

(NB I don't support Trump - or Biden. I do rather like Hillary Clinton and Boris Johnson.)

Keir Starmer initially claimed there were 'about 6' people with him enjoying a beer and curry in Durham - when in fact there were 16 people with him. Starmer's false fact is 'quite worrying'.

@Clavinova have you had time to form an opinion on appointing a known sex pest to a position of responsibility yet?

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:02

DuncinToffee
Feel free to share it here

Too late now - I was going to reply to specific posts. Maybe another day.

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:04

jgw1

Don't you start. I've answered that question multiple times.

DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:05

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:02

DuncinToffee
Feel free to share it here

Too late now - I was going to reply to specific posts. Maybe another day.

It's an easy question to answer, do you think lying to parliament is acceptable?

Piggywaspushed · 14/07/2023 21:07

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 20:51

Begsthequestion
like it's a fact you believe. That's quite worrying

Why is it 'quite worrying'? Quite worrying would be a 'fact' that was way off the mark - sounds pretty close from the link above;
All-in-all, Trump garnered 26% of the non-white vote in 2020. This is a respectable showing, by recent Republican standards; indeed, it’s the second-best showing recorded by exit polls since 1976, behind George W. Bush's 28% in 2004.

(NB I don't support Trump - or Biden. I do rather like Hillary Clinton and Boris Johnson.)

Keir Starmer initially claimed there were 'about 6' people with him enjoying a beer and curry in Durham - when in fact there were 16 people with him. Starmer's false fact is 'quite worrying'.

How is that 'quite close' to the largest share? Unless you interpret that phrase rather differently from me??

Meowandthen · 14/07/2023 21:15

AgathaSpencerGregson · 11/06/2023 17:07

Boris should have stayed a journalist. He was very good at that. He is clever but bored by detail and I’m not sure really believes in anything.
starmer will be just as incompetent but with added prissiness and sanctimony. And spite. God help us.

Good at it? 🤣🤣🤣 He has been called out for racism and lies in many articles. That’s not good by any definition.

Rhondaa · 14/07/2023 21:19

'Keir Starmer initially claimed there were 'about 6' people with him enjoying a beer and curry in Durham - when in fact there were 16 people with him. Starmer's false fact is 'quite worrying'.

Yep Forensic Starmer can't even count. Or if he can he just has a very poor memory, or he is in fact a big fat liar liar with his pants on fire. I think it's the latter.

Meowandthen · 14/07/2023 21:21

AgathaSpencerGregson · 11/06/2023 19:12

Lefties like him are always spiteful. See his policy on private schools (and previous labour policy on grammar schools and the assisted places scheme). Achieves nothing other than a kick in the teeth for the people they don’t like.

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Looks like we’ve found the Mail reader.

claiming that “lefties… are always spiteful” is such a groundless claim that it simply makes you look stupid and rather spiteful yourself.

DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:21

Rhondaa · 14/07/2023 21:19

'Keir Starmer initially claimed there were 'about 6' people with him enjoying a beer and curry in Durham - when in fact there were 16 people with him. Starmer's false fact is 'quite worrying'.

Yep Forensic Starmer can't even count. Or if he can he just has a very poor memory, or he is in fact a big fat liar liar with his pants on fire. I think it's the latter.

Starmer didn't break the law.
Johnson broke the law and lied to Parliament.

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:25

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:04

jgw1

Don't you start. I've answered that question multiple times.

Well then it would be easy enough to answer again then after all the practice you have had. Appointing a known sex pest, acceptable or not?

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:28

Rhondaa · 14/07/2023 21:19

'Keir Starmer initially claimed there were 'about 6' people with him enjoying a beer and curry in Durham - when in fact there were 16 people with him. Starmer's false fact is 'quite worrying'.

Yep Forensic Starmer can't even count. Or if he can he just has a very poor memory, or he is in fact a big fat liar liar with his pants on fire. I think it's the latter.

I'm confused, when Johnson lies over and over, you praise him, why not praise Starmer if you think he has also lied?

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:31

DuncinToffee
It's an easy question to answer

No it's not - it's quite complicated. I read the coverage in the Mail - I agreed with quite a few of their points, but not all of them. Then I read the coverage in the Times - I agreed with quite a few of their points, but not all of them. Then I skipped through the report and spotted discrepancies there as as well. So, perhaps my answer is that I am in the 'undecided' group.

Rhondaa · 14/07/2023 21:34

DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:21

Starmer didn't break the law.
Johnson broke the law and lied to Parliament.

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Oh an fpn for a cake in a tupperware box, the Met excelled themselves in their diligence.

An impartial committee headed by I Hate Johnson Harman and with Bernard Drinks Party Jenkins on decided he lied. Seriously it'd be laughable if folk didn't actually take notice of what they came up with.

DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:36

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:31

DuncinToffee
It's an easy question to answer

No it's not - it's quite complicated. I read the coverage in the Mail - I agreed with quite a few of their points, but not all of them. Then I read the coverage in the Times - I agreed with quite a few of their points, but not all of them. Then I skipped through the report and spotted discrepancies there as as well. So, perhaps my answer is that I am in the 'undecided' group.

So you don't think Johnson lied to Parliament, and even if he did, you don't really mind.

Lying to Parliament is acceptable in your opinion.

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:36

Rhondaa · 14/07/2023 21:34

Oh an fpn for a cake in a tupperware box, the Met excelled themselves in their diligence.

An impartial committee headed by I Hate Johnson Harman and with Bernard Drinks Party Jenkins on decided he lied. Seriously it'd be laughable if folk didn't actually take notice of what they came up with.

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@Janiie so you don't see anything wrong with breaking the law and lying to parliament about it.

Fair enough.
Does that just apply to Johnson, or can anyone break the law if they feel like it?

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 14/07/2023 21:37

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DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:37

Rhondaa · 14/07/2023 21:34

Oh an fpn for a cake in a tupperware box, the Met excelled themselves in their diligence.

An impartial committee headed by I Hate Johnson Harman and with Bernard Drinks Party Jenkins on decided he lied. Seriously it'd be laughable if folk didn't actually take notice of what they came up with.

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Johnson lied to Parliament

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:38

DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:37

Johnson lied to Parliament

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And broke the law.

These facts are not in doubt.

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:39

DuncinToffee · 14/07/2023 21:36

So you don't think Johnson lied to Parliament, and even if he did, you don't really mind.

Lying to Parliament is acceptable in your opinion.

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@Clavinova have you got any links showing us that breaking the law and lying is just fine and normal behaviour?

Much obliged.

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:41

Piggywaspushed
How is that 'quite close' to the largest share? Unless you interpret that phrase rather differently from me??

it’s the second-best showing recorded by exit polls since 1976

Also, the non-white vote is obviously a much smaller group than the white vote -therefore a 2% difference is not going to be as large as it would be in the general population.

It's certainly not 'worrying' that a poster might believe the false fact.

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:42

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:41

Piggywaspushed
How is that 'quite close' to the largest share? Unless you interpret that phrase rather differently from me??

it’s the second-best showing recorded by exit polls since 1976

Also, the non-white vote is obviously a much smaller group than the white vote -therefore a 2% difference is not going to be as large as it would be in the general population.

It's certainly not 'worrying' that a poster might believe the false fact.

@Clavinova is this another example of where lying is acceptable to you?

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:42

DuncinToffee
So you don't think Johnson lied to Parliament, and even if he did, you don't really mind.

I'm not convinced that he deliberately lied.

jgw1 · 14/07/2023 21:43

Clavinova · 14/07/2023 21:42

DuncinToffee
So you don't think Johnson lied to Parliament, and even if he did, you don't really mind.

I'm not convinced that he deliberately lied.

@Clavinova so you are saying that the Prime Minister Johnson was too stupid to understand a law that he introduced.

An odd defence, but there we go.