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To be pissed I'm being blamed for the rift.

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KP1993 · 10/06/2023 10:16

This is my first time posting, so will try and be concise, but apologies in advance, but could do with other opinions.
This happened last Sunday. We generally visit my husbands grans on a Sunday for a few hours, most Sundays so kids can see her, and his mum, her partner and his sister commonly appear during the day, and depending on work commitments his uncle, aunt and cousins may stop by.
His mum and partner do collection for ironing lady on a Sunday afternoon, and they use her partner's van as the run can be quite large.
So past Sunday, they go out, van won't start, I go out expecting it to be battery, it's not even turning. (Turns out it was starter motor.)
Her partner contacts RAC, hubby asks if he alright to run his mum home to pick up a car to start the run. I say yeah. (He is only named driver on the insurance, and we have both interpreted that he needs permission to use said car.)
What should have been maybe 25 minutes/half hour turns into and hour and half. Txt him, no response, ring him - he's helped his mum with the first few collections in our car, she asked. A few collections being enough to fill the back of our estate and the back seat.
This is where the issue starts, our insurance is SD&P only. I did rip him for not letting me know what was going on. I am an anxious person, coupled with he only got his license back February just gone ( he lost it driving with no insurance 10 years ago, stupid teenage stunt, he admits so please don't slate him). The entire family know we don't have business insurance, so in my opinion she shouldn't have even asked, considering she won't risk her own car and license (they have 2 cars - one with business and one without). He didn't realise that had he been pulled over using the car for business without appropriate insurance the car would have been impounded (expect it would have cost at least £400-£500 to get back - we really don't have anywhere near that sort of money spare), fines, court and because he had previous the possibility of loosing his license again, as he wasn't officially insured, similarly had there been an accident. There would have been no offer of assistance as 'it's not their problem' as she has said in the past.
Fast forward to the late afternoon/evening, we had words, I went out to cool off as I was still livid. When I got home, I sent his mum a message on WhatsApp. I wasn't rude, but I was direct and it's obvious that I am pissed. I have since been told, that because I sent a message I have caused a rift in the family, I am over reacting, 'the likelihood of being pulled over is very low' (to me not the point), and should learn more 'tact' (without recognising that I have been biting my tongue for weeks as she runs down 'council' estates and the people that come off them, knowing full well that I grew up on council estate), and because I can say no to use of the car I am manipulative (this coming from his gran). I maintain that the rift was caused when his mum risked hubby license and our insurance, he admits had he known the implications he wouldn't have done it, but is owning his part. He is nieve with regards to insurance, I have dealt with car insurance for about 12 years, as well as pet insurance etc, so probably didn't go through his head. I have taken it that her behaviour is unacceptable, but I have to deal with it and shouldn't say anything, but when I call her out, she gets pissed at me, and instead of telling her her behaviour wasn't acceptable, her mother (his gran) is coddling her. When I met my husband, his mother made a big deal out of him driving without insurance, and now it's acceptable if it benefits her. In my opinion NO.
We have solved any concerns over manipulation, he has standing permission to use the car within the confines of the insurance, and if he is unsure to ask.
YABU - just let it go, he didn't get caught and it is your fault
YANBU - shouldn't have taken that risk with someone else's car/insurance/license, you are within your right to be pissed, and it isn't your fault

OP posts:
Sunnyfeelgood · 10/06/2023 13:53

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 13:43

He was within the first 12 months of license, so 6 points is equivalent to 12 points, hence license lost. He wasn't banned for 10 years. So it is obvious that people are not reading all posts.
As already mentioned I am already getting help. I expect very few people know what it feels like to deal with high anxiety continuously, and controlling situations can be a coping strategy, controlling people is completely different. As for making accusations about him without reading the posts, knowing anything much about him is rude and put of place.

On the anxiety and control point:

Controlling situations is a coping strategy but it is a bad one as it is impossible to control situations and it ends up keeping the anxiety going. This should be the overriding message of your therapy, so if the therapist hasn't hammered this home yet make sure you bring it up with them.

Controlling people is why you are getting such a rough time here (and I feel for you). But you are trying to control your husband. Then when that doesn't feel good enough, you are trying to control your MiL with the text.

Being this anxious is horrific, but it is not an excuse to behave in a controlling way. It is on you to try and reflect when the anxiety has taken over and apologise when it does so.

diddl · 10/06/2023 13:54

Bugger! Op has namechanged so I can't just read their posts!

Billyho · 10/06/2023 13:56

Billyho · 10/06/2023 13:51

Are you OP, if so you’ve had a name change fail, which means it’s difficult for people to read all your posts, so they don’t know everything you’ve said. Which is not their fault.

You were wrong, apologise to your MIL, accept you’ve caused the rift.

So you started off as KP1993 now your something else, so people can’t filter your posts and that’s why they’re not reading them!

fumigation · 10/06/2023 13:57

OP...you mention you're an anxious person, are you getting any help for that?

Your DH did his mum a favour and in the process made a minor error which even if he had been stopped is extremely unlikely to have resulted in the catastrophic scenario that's played out in your head.

None of this has actually happened or come even close to happening and yet your reaction is as though it has. The best approach would have been to casually mention it to your DH so he knows not to do it again and then dropped it. It really wasn't worth all this fuss. Best thing you can do now is apologise to everyone for overreacting and then move on. 😊

Billyho · 10/06/2023 13:57

diddl · 10/06/2023 13:54

Bugger! Op has namechanged so I can't just read their posts!

Exactly …… but moaning people aren’t reading her posts! 🙄

MinionsHooray · 10/06/2023 14:00

You sound so dramatic and over the top.

EdinaCrump · 10/06/2023 14:02

“He didn't realise that had he been pulled over using the car for business without appropriate insurance the car would have been impounded”

This is complete nonsense.

Darknightsahead · 10/06/2023 14:07

Can I just point out as I have already in previous message that I worked in car insurance for ten years.

So I’ve seen it all and people used to put in claims all the time and then say “oh I forgot to put this down or I forgot to include this”
9 times out of ten we changed the policy and they would just pay the additional fee.

No cars being impounded, no claims not being paid.

What OP is describing would only ever have happened in a very exceptional circumstance.

AutumnCrow · 10/06/2023 14:07

Billyho · 10/06/2023 13:57

Exactly …… but moaning people aren’t reading her posts! 🙄

Yeah ... why do people do this? In fact I thought it wasn't even possible to do this any more?

Kennykenkencat · 10/06/2023 14:08

I saw one of those traffic police documentary programmes not long ago where they were stopping random cars at rush hour to check whether the driver had commuting cover. All they were using as proof that they were commuting was asking the driver where they were going. Not many could come up with a good alternative reason for wearing a shirt and tie at 8am
But technically the husband wasn’t actually using the car for his business purposes. He was not profiting from using the car. Or charging anyone for the use of the car he was just running his mum around to help her out. No money changed hands. For all he knew, he was running his mum home and she wanted to pop into various peoples houses and came out with bags of clothing.

Would someone be charged with using the car for commuting if they were dropping their husband to work and then going home or to the shops.
The person driving isn’t driving to work they are just giving a lift.

AutumnCrow · 10/06/2023 14:08

@KP1993 OP, change your name back please?

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/06/2023 14:11

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:49

No because his mother is a selfish irresponsible idiot and she is making him take risks that she wouldn't take herself.

I agree with the OP and would have done the same and I would never want to see the MIL again as she is a danger.

This is it though surely? His mum manoeuvred him to do something she wasn’t willing to do herself. She could have contacted her insurance company and added business use to her car if she wanted to be above board.

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 14:16

Sunnyfeelgood · 10/06/2023 13:53

On the anxiety and control point:

Controlling situations is a coping strategy but it is a bad one as it is impossible to control situations and it ends up keeping the anxiety going. This should be the overriding message of your therapy, so if the therapist hasn't hammered this home yet make sure you bring it up with them.

Controlling people is why you are getting such a rough time here (and I feel for you). But you are trying to control your husband. Then when that doesn't feel good enough, you are trying to control your MiL with the text.

Being this anxious is horrific, but it is not an excuse to behave in a controlling way. It is on you to try and reflect when the anxiety has taken over and apologise when it does so.

Discussion with therapist has been intense, and finding other coping strategies, but I do revert when highly stressed. But I do completely agree that it leads to a cycle where anxiety builds. I have only been in therapy short time so building on it.
I have no intention of controlling anyone, I was angry that a risk was taken, and I verbalised it. He has use of the car, and can do as he pleases along as it covered. But the same would go for me, I have use and can do as I please, provided it is covered. I would not call that controlling. This was the level of cover we both agreed to.

As for people saying the insurance is a grey area, he was helping his mum out, but not being paid. She was being paid, and collection was for a third party. At the route of it, it was being used for business purposes. Regardless of how many times and we don't have appropriate insurance.

BonnieBobbin · 10/06/2023 14:18

Your DP isn't a child. He is an adult who has already lost his licence once. He made a decision. If you were unhappy with that decision, your problem was with him not MIL.
YWVUR and the wording of your choices was UR too. Posters who think YABU aren't saying it's ok because he didn't get caught. We're all clearly saying YABU because your DH is an adult and your MIL is not responsible for his decisions.

JudgeRudy · 10/06/2023 14:19

marapournumber4 · 10/06/2023 12:23

Bahaha. Where I live named driver means insured to drive the vehicle. Is it not the same in the UK?
Hysterical about the washing. How much was there that anyone would have noticed? Was it covering the rear window completely? If so that's just silly nothing to do with insurance. Same as if you are going away on holidays and cover the rear window with stuff so you can't see.
Poor DH

Assuming OP is in UK it makes a massive difference. If you're using your vehicle for business purposes you need business insurance. It's illegal not to. So whether you deliver pizzas, collect laundry, or make home visits to clients, whilst you're using you vehicle for business you need to be insured.
Delivery drivers (food) often don't have this. If they have an accident at work they're in big trouble. The police/other drivers WILL look in the car for food. 5 meals in an insulated bag with a receipt clipped to it is hard to explain away. Likewise 4 huge piles of laundry with client details attached.
It's illegal. Driving without insurance is criminal rather than civil which can result in a custodial sentence......again?

Billyho · 10/06/2023 14:20

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 14:16

Discussion with therapist has been intense, and finding other coping strategies, but I do revert when highly stressed. But I do completely agree that it leads to a cycle where anxiety builds. I have only been in therapy short time so building on it.
I have no intention of controlling anyone, I was angry that a risk was taken, and I verbalised it. He has use of the car, and can do as he pleases along as it covered. But the same would go for me, I have use and can do as I please, provided it is covered. I would not call that controlling. This was the level of cover we both agreed to.

As for people saying the insurance is a grey area, he was helping his mum out, but not being paid. She was being paid, and collection was for a third party. At the route of it, it was being used for business purposes. Regardless of how many times and we don't have appropriate insurance.

Again, you’ve name changed people cannot filter and read your posts! So name change back to your original name?

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 14:21

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/06/2023 14:11

This is it though surely? His mum manoeuvred him to do something she wasn’t willing to do herself. She could have contacted her insurance company and added business use to her car if she wanted to be above board.

One of their cars already has business insurance on it. She was trying to save herself time. I wouldn't ask, especially if I wasn't willing to do it myself

Billyho · 10/06/2023 14:23

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 14:21

One of their cars already has business insurance on it. She was trying to save herself time. I wouldn't ask, especially if I wasn't willing to do it myself

NAME CHANGE FAIL!!!

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 14:24

JudgeRudy · 10/06/2023 14:19

Assuming OP is in UK it makes a massive difference. If you're using your vehicle for business purposes you need business insurance. It's illegal not to. So whether you deliver pizzas, collect laundry, or make home visits to clients, whilst you're using you vehicle for business you need to be insured.
Delivery drivers (food) often don't have this. If they have an accident at work they're in big trouble. The police/other drivers WILL look in the car for food. 5 meals in an insulated bag with a receipt clipped to it is hard to explain away. Likewise 4 huge piles of laundry with client details attached.
It's illegal. Driving without insurance is criminal rather than civil which can result in a custodial sentence......again?

No it was ban and fine. And apologies, yes we are in the UK

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/06/2023 14:28

Billyho · 10/06/2023 14:23

NAME CHANGE FAIL!!!

Op has explained she can’t get into her original account. And she has explained she has anxiety issues. Personally I would find these comments upsetting if I were the op. Please stop.

thebestbirtheraccordingtoDD · 10/06/2023 14:29

Darknightsahead · 10/06/2023 14:07

Can I just point out as I have already in previous message that I worked in car insurance for ten years.

So I’ve seen it all and people used to put in claims all the time and then say “oh I forgot to put this down or I forgot to include this”
9 times out of ten we changed the policy and they would just pay the additional fee.

No cars being impounded, no claims not being paid.

What OP is describing would only ever have happened in a very exceptional circumstance.

Exactly some totally over reactions here

KR2023 · 10/06/2023 14:30

KP19933 - Are you reading people's posts? You have added an extra 3.

I thought as a PP said, MN defaulted back to your original name on a thread. Annoyingly hasnt with you!

Billyho · 10/06/2023 14:30

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/06/2023 14:28

Op has explained she can’t get into her original account. And she has explained she has anxiety issues. Personally I would find these comments upsetting if I were the op. Please stop.

Couldn’t see that!

Not sure how this is helping her anxiety? Do you?

she seems adamant that everyone must feel the same way as her? The original question was AIBU, which I think has been covered?

KR2023 · 10/06/2023 14:32

Personally I would find these comments upsetting if I were the op. Please stop

Well you're not the OP, or the thread police - "please stop" 🙄

And she can hide the thread.

RecycleMePlease · 10/06/2023 14:35

Personally I would roll the dice just for one time, and the whole asking permission I would view as just 'do you mind being left here while I sort this out' rather than 'please may I use the car' - BUT - I can see why you're cross, I can see why you would worry given it's been 10 years of you having to deal with all of this, and no-one else seems to be thinking about it.

I also don't see why you should leave it to your DP to talk to his mum - this sounds like a close family, it involves your insurance, of course you're allowed to raise issues direct.