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To be pissed I'm being blamed for the rift.

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KP1993 · 10/06/2023 10:16

This is my first time posting, so will try and be concise, but apologies in advance, but could do with other opinions.
This happened last Sunday. We generally visit my husbands grans on a Sunday for a few hours, most Sundays so kids can see her, and his mum, her partner and his sister commonly appear during the day, and depending on work commitments his uncle, aunt and cousins may stop by.
His mum and partner do collection for ironing lady on a Sunday afternoon, and they use her partner's van as the run can be quite large.
So past Sunday, they go out, van won't start, I go out expecting it to be battery, it's not even turning. (Turns out it was starter motor.)
Her partner contacts RAC, hubby asks if he alright to run his mum home to pick up a car to start the run. I say yeah. (He is only named driver on the insurance, and we have both interpreted that he needs permission to use said car.)
What should have been maybe 25 minutes/half hour turns into and hour and half. Txt him, no response, ring him - he's helped his mum with the first few collections in our car, she asked. A few collections being enough to fill the back of our estate and the back seat.
This is where the issue starts, our insurance is SD&P only. I did rip him for not letting me know what was going on. I am an anxious person, coupled with he only got his license back February just gone ( he lost it driving with no insurance 10 years ago, stupid teenage stunt, he admits so please don't slate him). The entire family know we don't have business insurance, so in my opinion she shouldn't have even asked, considering she won't risk her own car and license (they have 2 cars - one with business and one without). He didn't realise that had he been pulled over using the car for business without appropriate insurance the car would have been impounded (expect it would have cost at least £400-£500 to get back - we really don't have anywhere near that sort of money spare), fines, court and because he had previous the possibility of loosing his license again, as he wasn't officially insured, similarly had there been an accident. There would have been no offer of assistance as 'it's not their problem' as she has said in the past.
Fast forward to the late afternoon/evening, we had words, I went out to cool off as I was still livid. When I got home, I sent his mum a message on WhatsApp. I wasn't rude, but I was direct and it's obvious that I am pissed. I have since been told, that because I sent a message I have caused a rift in the family, I am over reacting, 'the likelihood of being pulled over is very low' (to me not the point), and should learn more 'tact' (without recognising that I have been biting my tongue for weeks as she runs down 'council' estates and the people that come off them, knowing full well that I grew up on council estate), and because I can say no to use of the car I am manipulative (this coming from his gran). I maintain that the rift was caused when his mum risked hubby license and our insurance, he admits had he known the implications he wouldn't have done it, but is owning his part. He is nieve with regards to insurance, I have dealt with car insurance for about 12 years, as well as pet insurance etc, so probably didn't go through his head. I have taken it that her behaviour is unacceptable, but I have to deal with it and shouldn't say anything, but when I call her out, she gets pissed at me, and instead of telling her her behaviour wasn't acceptable, her mother (his gran) is coddling her. When I met my husband, his mother made a big deal out of him driving without insurance, and now it's acceptable if it benefits her. In my opinion NO.
We have solved any concerns over manipulation, he has standing permission to use the car within the confines of the insurance, and if he is unsure to ask.
YABU - just let it go, he didn't get caught and it is your fault
YANBU - shouldn't have taken that risk with someone else's car/insurance/license, you are within your right to be pissed, and it isn't your fault

OP posts:
LeefPeeper · 10/06/2023 12:46

Your husband has to ask you permission every time he wants to use the car?!

PineappleLatte · 10/06/2023 12:46

KP1993 · 10/06/2023 11:06

Are you aware that hubby officially drove without insurance today. We do not have business insurance of any kind, and in our small print it states that permission must be asked for use of the vehicle from the policy holder. He asked specifically to take you back to get the car. That's what he was covered for. Had he been pulled over, the car would have been impounded and hubby would have lost his license again due to no insurance

So @KP1993 what is the exact wording of your insurance clause that makes you believe he must ask permission every time he drives?

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:49

diddl · 10/06/2023 12:18

this is entirely on your DH and his mother.

Surely it's entirely on him?

No because his mother is a selfish irresponsible idiot and she is making him take risks that she wouldn't take herself.

I agree with the OP and would have done the same and I would never want to see the MIL again as she is a danger.

Nellynoowhoareyou · 10/06/2023 12:49

OP are you Gail Honeyman? Sounds like you’re prepping for the sequel to Elinor Oliphant to me.

Gazelda · 10/06/2023 12:50

It must have been some crime to have got a 10 year ban!

OP, I'm sure that by now you've realised you were OTT and that you've been the cause of then rift in the family. You reacted hugely to something which may or may not be a problem. Rather than have an adult conversation, you had a row which ended with you being so livid that you needed to leave the house to cool off. The you dragged mum into the debate. Your message was pretty accusatory.

Your DH seems to be within your power. Maybe you feel that you need to be in control to ensure things happen correctly, but it comes across that this isn't an equal and respectful partnership.

I think you owe some apologies and maybe some talking therapy to get perspective on these sorts of issue.

By the way, I hope your DC didn't witness too much of this drama. What a way to enjoy the last day of the half term!

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:51

Darknightsahead · 10/06/2023 11:07

I cannot believe you sent that to his mum. Honestly OP give your head a wobble.

Why not? The MIL is a selfish idiot. I would have sent a lot worse.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:51

LeefPeeper · 10/06/2023 12:46

Your husband has to ask you permission every time he wants to use the car?!

Well with a mother like that I would do the same.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:52

KP1993 · 10/06/2023 11:06

Are you aware that hubby officially drove without insurance today. We do not have business insurance of any kind, and in our small print it states that permission must be asked for use of the vehicle from the policy holder. He asked specifically to take you back to get the car. That's what he was covered for. Had he been pulled over, the car would have been impounded and hubby would have lost his license again due to no insurance

You did exactly the right thing.

CurlewKate · 10/06/2023 12:53

Regardless of the insurance conditions-this is nothing to do with his mother. He's an adult. You may have other issues with her-but this shouldn't be one of them.

ohdelay · 10/06/2023 12:54

KP1993 · 10/06/2023 11:06

Are you aware that hubby officially drove without insurance today. We do not have business insurance of any kind, and in our small print it states that permission must be asked for use of the vehicle from the policy holder. He asked specifically to take you back to get the car. That's what he was covered for. Had he been pulled over, the car would have been impounded and hubby would have lost his license again due to no insurance

This is hilarious. Yep, rift is on you OP.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:54

CurlewKate · 10/06/2023 12:53

Regardless of the insurance conditions-this is nothing to do with his mother. He's an adult. You may have other issues with her-but this shouldn't be one of them.

Of course it is the mother;s fault. She is manipulating him and would probably give him a hard time if he didnt' do what she wanted. It is difficult to say no to an idiot like that.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:55

ohdelay · 10/06/2023 12:54

This is hilarious. Yep, rift is on you OP.

No it isn't.

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 12:56

PineappleLatte · 10/06/2023 12:46

So @KP1993 what is the exact wording of your insurance clause that makes you believe he must ask permission every time he drives?

'In the event a named driver uses the vehicle, they must have permission from the policy holder.' As I have mentioned previously it is quite new situation and didn't think how to put it across. It was only after I spoke to my dad that he told me how they do it.

For those who were wondering, he was caught twice with no insurance at all just shy of 10 years ago, when he looked at getting his license again, he was told he needed 30/40 lessons. Baby number 1 was on the way and we couldn't afford that at the time.
Summer of last year, someone we both know who is another instructor went out and said he only needed a bit of polishing. Had that been the case originally he would have had his license much longer.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/06/2023 12:57

Of course it is the mother;s fault. She is manipulating him and would probably give him a hard time if he didnt' do what she wanted. It is difficult to say no to an idiot like that.

She asked and he said yes. This is on him. Or do you always like to point blame to others? He has a mouth, he could have easily said no, he's not a fucking child.

ohdelay · 10/06/2023 12:58

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:55

No it isn't.

It really is. That is Daily mail levels of drama and will be blowing up their family whatsapps and facebook chats. Why send that to his mum? Presumably OPs husband is an adult and could say no. They'll be calling her crazy and controlling

ThereIbledit · 10/06/2023 12:58

I maintain that the rift was caused when his mum risked hubby license and our insurance

People can ask the driver anything they like - the driver's actions are still the driver's own responsibility. You don't get off a speeding fine because the passenger asked the driver to put their foot down, nor is his mum responsible for him driving without adequate insurance.

he admits had he known the implications he wouldn't have done it, but is owning his part. He is nieve with regards to insurance

He's an adult who is considered able to drive half a ton of metal that could kill people: being naïve about insurance isn't an excuse. Having lost is licence in the past to not having had insurance, it's even more surprising that he hasn't gone out of his way to understand insurance.

Your problem is with him.

NoTouch · 10/06/2023 12:59

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:54

Of course it is the mother;s fault. She is manipulating him and would probably give him a hard time if he didnt' do what she wanted. It is difficult to say no to an idiot like that.

As a 30 year old adult, if you get pulled over by the police, saying mummy made me, absolutely frees you from any wrong doing in the eyes of the law. 🤣

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 12:59

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:54

Of course it is the mother;s fault. She is manipulating him and would probably give him a hard time if he didnt' do what she wanted. It is difficult to say no to an idiot like that.

Honestly, yes she would have. But I am aware that I am considered biased.

Reallybadidea · 10/06/2023 12:59

AllyCart · 10/06/2023 11:23

@Sunnyfeelgood

If the police stop the car would they care about lots of clothing in the back seat?
If they cared would they then contact the insurance company to find out the kind of insurance?
If they found out it was SD&P and not business would they care?
If they cared they would then need to prove the clothing was part of a business and not just someone moving house.

Believe it or not, 'yes' to all of the above.

They regularly check with insurance companies as to the exact cover that applies on a vehicle and they do take action if the cover isn't correct.

I saw one of those traffic police documentary programmes not long ago where they were stopping random cars at rush hour to check whether the driver had commuting cover. All they were using as proof that they were commuting was asking the driver where they were going. Not many could come up with a good alternative reason for wearing a shirt and tie at 8am.

For actually carrying goods in the vehicle they absolutely would be checking for business cover.

It's very standard to check this stuff.

Are you basing all your knowledge of police procedure on "I saw one of those traffic police documentary programmes not long ago"?

Billyho · 10/06/2023 13:01

IMustDoMoreExercise · 10/06/2023 12:49

No because his mother is a selfish irresponsible idiot and she is making him take risks that she wouldn't take herself.

I agree with the OP and would have done the same and I would never want to see the MIL again as she is a danger.

You see I credit my husband with having enough sense to deal with a situation and take responsibility, like an equal partner.

But I suppose we are all different and some women like weak men!

frazzledasarock · 10/06/2023 13:01

So his mum won’t risk her car and won’t drive the car she owns that is not insured for business use.

but is happy for your husband to drive his uninsured car to fulfil her wants, and has made it clear any fines are your problem.

Your husband is stupid.

your MIL is manipulative and taking advantage of your husbands stupidity.

I’d take the opportunity to go low contact with the lot of them and refuse any and all favours to them.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/06/2023 13:02

Honestly, yes she would have. But I am aware that I am considered biased.

So you married a man without a backbone?

OooPourUsACupLove · 10/06/2023 13:08

OP said "considering she won't risk her own car and license (they have 2 cars - one with business and one without" and "hubby asks if he alright to run his mum home to pick up a car to start the run"

MIL has a car that could have been used to solve the problem and initially planned to do just that, then that somehow turned into doing the run in OP/DH's car, which also meant requiring DH to act as her driver.

Alomgside the Council Estate comments, I wonder if MIL has form for pushing boundaries and playing power games over DH's time and attention, and that's why OP has (on the face of it) over-reacted.

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 13:10

frazzledasarock · 10/06/2023 13:01

So his mum won’t risk her car and won’t drive the car she owns that is not insured for business use.

but is happy for your husband to drive his uninsured car to fulfil her wants, and has made it clear any fines are your problem.

Your husband is stupid.

your MIL is manipulative and taking advantage of your husbands stupidity.

I’d take the opportunity to go low contact with the lot of them and refuse any and all favours to them.

He is not stupid (or weak), but he is incredibly keen to be helpful. He is a lovely man with a heart of gold (I'm ready for the 🤮) and would give you the shirt off his back if he thought it would help, but people do take advantage of that.
That said, he has to and is taking responsibility for what he did, and it would be him had it ended a different way.
I don't want an apology, honestly wouldn't get one, but an acknowledgment that asking someone to do something you wouldn't do isn't right. That is how I was raised.

thebestbirtheraccordingtoDD · 10/06/2023 13:10

Worked in insurance for over 20 years.
We NEVER get calls from the police checking cover for this shit
If you had an accident your insurer would ask what you were using the car for. If you said commuting or business use they'd just add it the policy from your last renewal and charge you the additional premium. No drama.

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