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To be pissed I'm being blamed for the rift.

236 replies

KP1993 · 10/06/2023 10:16

This is my first time posting, so will try and be concise, but apologies in advance, but could do with other opinions.
This happened last Sunday. We generally visit my husbands grans on a Sunday for a few hours, most Sundays so kids can see her, and his mum, her partner and his sister commonly appear during the day, and depending on work commitments his uncle, aunt and cousins may stop by.
His mum and partner do collection for ironing lady on a Sunday afternoon, and they use her partner's van as the run can be quite large.
So past Sunday, they go out, van won't start, I go out expecting it to be battery, it's not even turning. (Turns out it was starter motor.)
Her partner contacts RAC, hubby asks if he alright to run his mum home to pick up a car to start the run. I say yeah. (He is only named driver on the insurance, and we have both interpreted that he needs permission to use said car.)
What should have been maybe 25 minutes/half hour turns into and hour and half. Txt him, no response, ring him - he's helped his mum with the first few collections in our car, she asked. A few collections being enough to fill the back of our estate and the back seat.
This is where the issue starts, our insurance is SD&P only. I did rip him for not letting me know what was going on. I am an anxious person, coupled with he only got his license back February just gone ( he lost it driving with no insurance 10 years ago, stupid teenage stunt, he admits so please don't slate him). The entire family know we don't have business insurance, so in my opinion she shouldn't have even asked, considering she won't risk her own car and license (they have 2 cars - one with business and one without). He didn't realise that had he been pulled over using the car for business without appropriate insurance the car would have been impounded (expect it would have cost at least £400-£500 to get back - we really don't have anywhere near that sort of money spare), fines, court and because he had previous the possibility of loosing his license again, as he wasn't officially insured, similarly had there been an accident. There would have been no offer of assistance as 'it's not their problem' as she has said in the past.
Fast forward to the late afternoon/evening, we had words, I went out to cool off as I was still livid. When I got home, I sent his mum a message on WhatsApp. I wasn't rude, but I was direct and it's obvious that I am pissed. I have since been told, that because I sent a message I have caused a rift in the family, I am over reacting, 'the likelihood of being pulled over is very low' (to me not the point), and should learn more 'tact' (without recognising that I have been biting my tongue for weeks as she runs down 'council' estates and the people that come off them, knowing full well that I grew up on council estate), and because I can say no to use of the car I am manipulative (this coming from his gran). I maintain that the rift was caused when his mum risked hubby license and our insurance, he admits had he known the implications he wouldn't have done it, but is owning his part. He is nieve with regards to insurance, I have dealt with car insurance for about 12 years, as well as pet insurance etc, so probably didn't go through his head. I have taken it that her behaviour is unacceptable, but I have to deal with it and shouldn't say anything, but when I call her out, she gets pissed at me, and instead of telling her her behaviour wasn't acceptable, her mother (his gran) is coddling her. When I met my husband, his mother made a big deal out of him driving without insurance, and now it's acceptable if it benefits her. In my opinion NO.
We have solved any concerns over manipulation, he has standing permission to use the car within the confines of the insurance, and if he is unsure to ask.
YABU - just let it go, he didn't get caught and it is your fault
YANBU - shouldn't have taken that risk with someone else's car/insurance/license, you are within your right to be pissed, and it isn't your fault

OP posts:
ErmentrudeTheCow · 10/06/2023 11:54

TeaKitten · 10/06/2023 10:22

You shouldn’t have messaged his mum, your partner is an adult and it was his decision. There’s no valid reason to blame her rather than your DP, so you did cause a rift…

This^
You're issue is with your DP not his mother. He's the one who took the decision to drive

Aprilx · 10/06/2023 11:56

You are being utterly ridiculous, you also do not have a clue about insurance. Who on earth is going to pull you over and impound your car because your husband is doing his mother a favour. This is the most bonkers thing I have read. You have caused a rift and you should apologise.

MakesMeFeelSad · 10/06/2023 12:01

What a load of drama over nothing!

Bobshhh · 10/06/2023 12:06

I wouldn’t have even thought twice about my husband doing a favour for his mum in a car, let alone worried about the police pulling over a man for having washing on the backseat!

SilverOrchid · 10/06/2023 12:13

Sunnyfeelgood · 10/06/2023 10:34

I think the fact that you are 'an anxious person' is the main problem here. If we follow the fear to the end.

Who is stopping the car?
The police?
If the police stop the car would they care about lots of clothing in the back seat?
If they cared would they then contact the insurance company to find out the kind of insurance?
If they found out it was SD&P and not business would they care?
If they cared they would then need to prove the clothing was part of a business and not just someone moving house.
Where would the evidence be?
Do the police (who see horrific extreme crime on a regular basis) really want to be such a jobsworth that they try to take down a middle aged woman doing a bit of ironing?

There are real criminals in this world and the police are stretched enough trying to sort them out.

The thing is, you are making a huge deal out of nothing, which is why it has caused a rift, as no one else can understand the issue (apart from your DP as you have caught him up in your anxiety).

It’s not being stopped that’s the real risk here.

Husband is in an accident. Perhaps someone is seriously injured.
Police are called/involved.
Investigation says lack of visibility from clothes was a contributing factor.
It’s asked why the clothes are there
DH and MIL chose not to commit fraud and are honest.
Insurer confirms this voids insurance as is not covered.
Police pick up and prosecute.
Injured party suffers from being injured by uninsured driver.
All exacerbated by previous (serious) driving without insurance conviction.

OP is right, it’s not okay to drive uninsured even if on a technicality. There was no need to involve MIL though, husband should’ve said no and all anger directed at him.

Fizzadora · 10/06/2023 12:14

I am with you OP. If he had had an accident while carrying out his DM's business it's likely that the insurance wouldn't pay up so you would be liable for any costs. If someone is seriously injured this could be hundreds of thousands.
Admit it's extremely unlikely but even so, the risk is there and this is entirely on your DH and his mother.
I would have had to say something too and better to be direct than endless passive aggressive comments every time the subject comes up.
Tell them all to accept responsibility for their behaviour and get over themselves.
I might even go so far as demanding an apology for it.

AllyCart · 10/06/2023 12:14

@Sunnyfeelgood Yes, I see your point regarding the catastrophising. 🙂

Beautiful3 · 10/06/2023 12:16

Honestly you were a little ott. But I understand completely. I would have told him to say no next time. I wouldn't have texted his mum either, he should have had a chat directly.

diddl · 10/06/2023 12:18

this is entirely on your DH and his mother.

Surely it's entirely on him?

NoTouch · 10/06/2023 12:20

You are married and have a family car that your husband needs to ask permission from you to drive? Even if the policy says he must ask permission, permission is just yes you can drive the car - not every trip or journey! Our car is in my name (dh has NCB on his van) and if it is free dh drives the car whenever he wants.

Are you his mother or an equal partner?

He made a mistake, probably trying to be helpful, no malice intended and probably didn't realise the implications. I would have only said to dh in passing did you realise we are not covered on insurance for business use so shouldn't do that again. You are a bit of a drama llama, there was no need to involve his mum and no wonder everyone is pissed at you.

Tulipvase · 10/06/2023 12:21

JudgeRudy · 10/06/2023 11:30

His mum was wrong to ask him. He was wrong to say yes. You were wrong to text her.

He's only got his licence back after something he did 10 years ago as a teen?! That sounds serious and I'd imagine it involved a custodial sentence. Let's assume he actually had a licence so he must be knocking on 30. He should understand the rules around insurance and make decisions accordingly. Ignorance is no excuse.

Tbh I'd be as pissed off that he was gone for an hour longer than expected and wasnt responding to your calls whilst you're left stranded at his grans.

What I don't understand is why you decided after the event to text his mum. Surely the normal thing would be to voice your opinion at the time when he returned. I don't mean a full blown row but I'd certainly have voiced my disapproval egg 'What were you thinking?' and maybe 'MIL, you should know better. You have business insurance....' ghen I'd have dropped it and continued the conversation in the privacy of my home.

I was wondering about the 10 years too.

marapournumber4 · 10/06/2023 12:23

Bahaha. Where I live named driver means insured to drive the vehicle. Is it not the same in the UK?
Hysterical about the washing. How much was there that anyone would have noticed? Was it covering the rear window completely? If so that's just silly nothing to do with insurance. Same as if you are going away on holidays and cover the rear window with stuff so you can't see.
Poor DH

TimesRwo · 10/06/2023 12:25

Yep, you 100% caused a rift.

Screwballs · 10/06/2023 12:27

Fizzadora · 10/06/2023 12:14

I am with you OP. If he had had an accident while carrying out his DM's business it's likely that the insurance wouldn't pay up so you would be liable for any costs. If someone is seriously injured this could be hundreds of thousands.
Admit it's extremely unlikely but even so, the risk is there and this is entirely on your DH and his mother.
I would have had to say something too and better to be direct than endless passive aggressive comments every time the subject comes up.
Tell them all to accept responsibility for their behaviour and get over themselves.
I might even go so far as demanding an apology for it.

Hi OP

Butchyrestingface · 10/06/2023 12:27

No one else seems to have picked up on the bit about the husband's mum regularly putting down people from council estate's, knowing OP is from a council estate.
Aside from the all the car insurance stuff, I would find that annoying.

Perhaps OP should have texted MiL about that then, as opposed to what she DID send.

pussycatinfluffyslippers · 10/06/2023 12:33

Take him off your insurance.

Therealjudgejudy · 10/06/2023 12:35

Good grief, you sound like a total control freak.

Feel sorry for your husband

Onefootinthegroove · 10/06/2023 12:36

YABU .
But, are you normally a very anxious person op ? Not being snide at all but my DSIL is an over thinker, very anxious and I can see her doing something like this.

SchoolShenanigans · 10/06/2023 12:37

How ridiculous. You don't need business insurance to help someone out once. No way. You wanted to cause an issue and his family are right.

Sparkletastic · 10/06/2023 12:40

MarthaHansonKGB · 10/06/2023 11:30

🦇 💩 crazy - why would you be pulled? If you were (unlikely) would they ask why there was washing in the car? He only need to say he’s transporting his mum’s washing.

You’re catastrophising. He wouldn’t have been stopped, your car wouldn’t have been impounded and your insurance wouldn’t have increased. You’re also controlling.

Omg I've missed this so much.

Your anxiety has led you to catastrophise and overreact OP. I think an apology to your MIL is needed.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/06/2023 12:41

I might even go so far as demanding an apology for it.

Haha I'd be laughing in someone's face if they demanded an apology of me because they were being ridiculous.

femfemlicious · 10/06/2023 12:44

You are controlling, why does he need permission to use the car?. You shouldn't have texted her.

Whatthediddlyfeck · 10/06/2023 12:44

This is utterly bonkers 😂

Im pretty sure the domestic element of insurance covers doing a family member a favour, which is what he was doing, he wasn’t using it for a business purpose. As for asking permission every time he uses your car 🤯

PossiblyNotOne · 10/06/2023 12:45

This ‘asking permission’ is fucking bonkers.

KP19933 · 10/06/2023 12:45

Apologies, I managed to log myself out and couldn't get back in.
I may have over reacted by messaging his mum, but I was angry that risk was considered acceptable enough to ask, but then I wouldn't ask someone to take that risk as I think it's too great. I do have ongoing mental health issues since teenage, and I don't just think of what has happened, I do think of the 'what if' I always have. Hence I make decisions based upon not only best case scenario, but most commonly worst case. Yes I am getting help, and husband was aware when we met and married. Sorry to those who don't like hubby. But I am not good with abbreviations, and obviously leaving names out.
Locally, think they call them 'stop and check' have increased, and through grapevine I have heard of similar situations, and yes cars are impounded!!!!
As for not understanding insurance, read the small print of your policy, it states that a vehicle with SD&P can not be used in any way for business or commuting purposes. These are decisions that we make as a couple. He does give on some issues, he doesn't commute as we have 3 small children, and having access to the car in an emergency (however small the likelihood) helps my anxiety, his work is only a 10 minute cycle.
I am not a passive aggressive person, and prefer to be direct, but I couldn't have said anything in person on the day as she didn't come back with him, she went off to finish her round, but the result would have been the same if I had mentioned in person that we don't have appropriate insurance.
Helping his mum is not an issue, with correct insurance. I am also a believer that things unsaid fester, and cause more issues down the line.